Is the Unearthed Arcana SRD online?

[Cergorach]

You make it sound like it is illegal to enforce work-for-hire contracts, Cergorach.

No it isn't, sorry if i sounded like that, but i do find that current society's facination with making 'profit' is a bit ridiculous. I find it idiotic that certain individuals have billions of dollars and others struggle on a daily basis with getting their children enough food. What has this to do with copyright? Copyright and patents are the basis of this discrepancy in cash flow, certain groups/individuals are literally holding good ideas hostage for money (think of two extremes like crucial medicine and cartoon characters). Maybe this is a bit to politicall to be appropriate for this board, but it is how i feel about things like copyright and patents.

 

[JohnRTroy]

Before I go on, I just want to correct one thing. Regarding the "Section 7" violation, I wasn't getting into specific OGL licensing issues, thus my example was a mistake. My point was not to have the product reference the example directly, but to show an example--I think producing complementary products is a lot better than strip-mining and compling data for books.

Then why are you here? You have no interest in debate and combined with your stamping of feet and yelling "You're a jerk!" really doesn't lead me to give anything you say much credence. I've always found that when people get abusive, it's because their argument has unravelled, but they just don't want have the wit to know it or the honesty to admit it.

Please prove that I have been abusive. Did I target a specific individual? Did I find a specific instance of an Unearthed Arcana violation and call that individual a bad person?

Did you ever hear the term "love the sinner, hate the sin"? That's pretty much what I was doing. (And no, I am not saying that people are committing sins). I am specifically targeting anybody who dumps entire published content online without either adding some value to it, and who doesn't care about being nice to the companies or creators who provide these rules, but just wants to get stuff free. So far, I haven't seen anybody fall into that category. Perhaps that is "subjective morality", but you'd find a lot of others might agree with it. I can disdain the attitude of "well, it's legal, so there's nothing wrong with it", and call that attitude a little short-sided.

"Pompous and Pretenious Attitude?" Funny, I could turn around and see the same thoughts from others here, just on the other side. I did correct my notions of moral and ethical items since it casues such a harsh reaction, but in a debate you're going to get some condemnation if you have a strong opinion.

 

[JohnRTroy]

Sigil made some very good comments.

1.) Misrepresenting the work of another as your own. That doesn't mean you can't use anyone else's material at all. It doesn't mean you can't wholesale copy and paste and (within the ways allowed by the OGL - unfortunately the OGL makes it a little tricky to really give good attribution) give credit where credit is due [snip]...I had no problem with, for instance, the Pocket Grimoires from Green Ronin - yeah, it was all copy/paste, but they told you, "this is a collection of stuff from many sources." They were honest about it.

2.) Ambiguous or intrusive PI/OGC designations

3.) "Crippling" your OGC I know, I know, the OGL "doesn't require me to make it easy for people to re-use my stuff" but this falls under the same general umbrella as #2 above. You're technically within your rights, but that doesn't make it ethical.

I agree with point one--although in my mind, while GR's products are legal and I won't condemn them, I do think that falls under the definition of a grey area and I won't support that type of product on the marketplace.

Number 2, I'll agree with Ambigous--not intrusive though, since that is the opposite and help clearly define what you can and can't use.

Number 3--I am not opposed to "crippling" so long as it makes sense under the license. If a person wants to, for instance, share some things but not all, that's their right. The SRD doesn't describe monsters outside their combat use, for instance, and Wizards keeps a half-dozen monsters for themselves, others should be able to do that. I have absolutely no problem with the way Malhavoc press works in that respect. I do tend to support OGL based collections mostly because I wish to write published adventures, but I'm not opposed to keeping some of your stuff as PI on an ethical level.

 

[Gez]

No it isn't, sorry if i sounded like that, but i do find that current society's facination with making 'profit' is a bit ridiculous. I find it idiotic that certain individuals have billions of dollars and others struggle on a daily basis with getting their children enough food. What has this to do with copyright? Copyright and patents are the basis of this discrepancy in cash flow, certain groups/individuals are literally holding good ideas hostage for money (think of two extremes like crucial medicine and cartoon characters). Maybe this is a bit to politicall to be appropriate for this board, but it is how i feel about things like copyright and patents.

That's indeed too political for ENW, but you could come to NKL.

 

[Cergorach]

That's indeed too political for ENW, but you could come to NKL.

What's NKL?

 

[hong]

Obviously, by making material Open, a publisher is allowing for its redistribution by other parties--that's the whole point, after all. On the other hand, does that mean it's morally OK for me to scan & post on my site the open content of every d20 product that hits the market?

I hereby give all viewers of this thread permission to scan and post, copy, redistribute, modify, fold, spindle and mutilate all open content of all d20 material posted on my website (http://www.zipworld.com.au/~hong/dnd) to date, and further do extend such privileges to all similar material that may be posted to aforementioned website at such future date as may come to pass, so help me goawd. Just put my name on it, will ya?


Hong "he who dies with the most page views wins" Ooi

 

[Nellisir]

What's NKL?

Nutkinland, I presume. ENWorld's dark alterego. I've only gone by once or twice; can't tell you much about it.

On topic, I'm interested in UA's Contacts rules, Taint, Players Roll All the Dice, Level-Independant XP Awards, and Magic Rating.

Yes, I have the book; Yes I want them for a "product"; Yes I will type them in all by my lonesome if I have to and not complain about it; and Yes, it would be easier to share the effort with someone else. If anyone has these entries already typed up and doesn't mind sharing with me, drop me an email... nellisir at comcast.net

Cheers!
Nell.

 

[Nellisir]

I hereby give all viewers of this thread permission to scan and post, copy, redistribute, modify, fold, spindle and mutilate all open content of all d20 material posted on my website (http://www.zipworld.com.au/~hong/dnd) to date, and further do extend such privileges to all similar material that may be posted to aforementioned website at such future date as may come to pass, so help me goawd. Just put my name on it, will ya?

Hong "he who dies with the most page views wins" Ooi

Once again Hong proves himself cooler than an ice chest in Antartica.

Cheers
Nell.

 

[Gez]

What's NKL?

http://www.nutkinland.com/forums/index.php

Newbies only have access to one forum, but can reach the others after they've proven they aren't jerks or trolls -- or at least, that they aren't unfunny ones. That's where ENWorlders go to speak of things they don't want Eric's Grandma to hear -- religious or political debates, porn, profanity-ridden rants, whatever.

It's also a place where irony and nonsense is appreciated -- like the kinda mawkish name and the current hippy theme indicate.

 

[Cergorach]

http://www.nutkinland.com/forums/index.php

Newbies only have access to one forum, but can reach the others after they've proven they aren't jerks or trolls -- or at least, that they aren't unfunny ones. That's where ENWorlders go to speak of things they don't want Eric's Grandma to hear -- religious or political debates, porn, profanity-ridden rants, whatever.

It's also a place where irony and nonsense is appreciated -- like the kinda mawkish name and the current hippy theme indicate.

Ahh... A kind of "Buldrek(tm)", kewl ;-)

But i... ah... erm... tend to spend wayyyyyyy to much time posting on such boards... So i tend to avoid them when i can ;-)