D&D 4E Is there a shift toward 4E in the community ?

[Presto2112]

I take it the "No more 4E Threads" rule has been lifted? Crap.

 

[Felix]

Not that this is a democracy, but I vote for the "4E can wait till the next decade" option.

 

[Umbran]

I don't really get the fear associated with 4E. You can always play an older incarnation of the game - just ask Diaglo.

No, you can't always do so. Diaglo is lucky.

You have to find other people who desire to play the old game, and in many instances that can be difficult. And it helps a great deal if there will be decent support products in print. A move to 4e means greater difficulty in creating 3.x games at home.

The problem becomes even worse if what you want to do is play, rather than run, the game...

 

[jester47]

I think there is a point in a games run where the players start to figure out how things can be done better. in 3.0 we saw about 2 years before the flaws really started to be common knowledge. We got a revision to 3.5 in 03 and now we are approaching that point for 3.5. I would expect rules flaw knowledge to reach saturation about same time next year. We won't see 4.0 for another three to four years.

 

[Mercule]

A year ago, I would have welcomed 4E. Strangely, I now feel like I'm coming to a place where I just want some stability.

 

[MoogleEmpMog]

From a personal perspective, I'd like to see a D&D 4e because every new system that comes out has the potential to provide something innovative and interesting. Admittedly, D&D is far more of a 'collection of 'best-of' rules' than an innovator in most cases, but that's OK, too. Regardless, I'll play whatever system I like best.

From a business perspective, I think it's a bad idea for WotC and a terrible one for the rest of the industry.

 

[Man in the Funny Hat]

Yet Another 4E Thread. However, my question is more about the D&D community, and especialy the various messageboards. I wonder if there is not a change in the community attitude toward 4E, from "fear and disgust" to "resignation" or even "impatience". Some people seems to be tired by the avalanch of rules products in the last months/years : errata, alternative systems (Tome of magic), alternative sub-systems (metamagic), new class (how many bases classes ?), new races, rule's change (look at polymorph...)...

Some people always will want newer, better, faster, or just different. They are the people that you hear from most regarding 4E. Those who are happy with 3.0/3.5 (or at least do not yet desire to see 4E even if they are UNhappy with 3E) do not put up post after post TALKING about 4E.

I wonder if WotC is not trying to create the need for a streamlined, revamped, corrected system. When customers will beg for it, they will just need to recreate the 3e hype to ensure another success...

Recreate the 3E hype? Hype? You may or may not recall that when WotC first acquired D&D from TSR it was dead. That is, TSR was dead and thus by default D&D was dead. Even just acquiring it would also not be sufficient to revive it as it was severly damaged by many years of company mismanagment. One of the ways in which WotC determined to truly revive the game is to publish a NEW version.

I would thus not call anything regarding the initial publishing of 3E "hype", which implies excessive and unecessary publicity and promotion.

I also am continually amazed at the truly extraordinary deviousness; the secretive, conspiratorial machinations that are attributed - even in speculation - to WotC. In fact it always IS speculation as I have yet to see any such that has basis in fact or genuinely reasonable implications. WotC would never simply publish a new, streamlined, revamped, corrected version of D&D because they think there is a market for it or that it's needed. No... they must first attack their customers, cleverly debasing and altering their very foundation of enjoyment of the game, manipulating them and the game rules with astounding and Byzantine plots that will first MANUFACTURE the market that does not even exist and which they INFLICT upon their customers.

Puhleeze.

 

[The Sigil]

I thought the Cheese stands alone? Or was it I wear the cheese, the cheese does not wear me.

No, it's...

"Hello, cheese? NO! Cheese can't answer the phone."

 

[Maggan]

Some people always will want newer, better, faster, or just different. They are the people that you hear from most regarding 4E. Those who are happy with 3.0/3.5 (or at least do not yet desire to see 4E even if they are UNhappy with 3E) do not put up post after post TALKING about 4E.

Whereas my impression of the myriads of 4e threads is the opposite. The most posts come from players who don't want to see 4e in a million years or so (slightly exaggerated for effect).

Anyone saying they'd like 4e now is drowned in the massive storm of "over my dead body you bastards" posts from 4e critics.

Actually, now that I come to think of it, it is funny how some people criticise WotC because of 4e, when it hasn't been released, announced or even hinted at ... apart from the rumors supplied by unidentified mysterious industry insiders, that is.

/M

 

[Ranger REG]

Actually, now that I come to think of it, it is funny how some people criticise WotC because of 4e, when it hasn't been released, announced or even hinted at ... apart from the rumors supplied by unidentified mysterious industry insiders, that is.

Nah. we're just reminding WotC that we're not ready for 4e yet, despite some doofuses and dweebs gamers in our D&D community say otherwise.