Is Wall of Thorns as utterly broken as it seems to be?

[IcyCool]

Summon Monster doesn't do damage. It summons a monster. The monster is a normal monster of its type,

Except it's not. What happens when you reduce a wolf to lower than 0hp? Now, what happens when you reduce a summoned wolf to lower than 0hp?

(And for what it's worth, even ruling that DR didn't help against wall of thorns, the wall deals a piddling amount of damage to those likely to attempt to move through it.)

 

[maggot]

Well then, what exactly is your complaint? That Wall of Thorns isn't completely useless against all classes equally?

My point is that no one has mentioned a 5th level or lower spell that is an effective counter against Wall of Thorns.

 

[IcyCool]

My point is that no one has mentioned a 5th level or lower spell that is an effective counter against Wall of Thorns.

Dispel Magic, Freedom of Movement, Dimension Door ...

Those were already mentioned. Are you saying those aren't effective counters to Wall of Thorns?

 

[maggot]

Since dim door gets the caster plus 1 target/three levels, it helps the fighter a whole lot--and potentially the whole party if you were clumped together. (And if you weren't you probably weren't all in the wall of thorns.

A 9th level druid casts Wall of Thorns over nine 10' cubes. That will fill an entire 30'x30' area. It is entirely possible that a trapped spellcaster with dimension door is not within touch range of all other trapped characters.

 

[IcyCool]

maggot, what exactly are you grasping for here? An effective counter to wall of thorns for all classes?

 

[lukelightning]

My druid loooooved the Wall of Thorns spell. It was an awesome "get rid of the lowly minions" spell to allow us to focus on the big tough boss monsters. "Oh look, a room full of bugbears and some dire boars. WALL OF THORNS! They all die. Plus the fact that she could move through the wall like it wasn't there was awesome.

 

[Infiniti2000]

A 9th level druid casts Wall of Thorns over nine 10' cubes. That will fill an entire 30'x30' area. It is entirely possible that a trapped spellcaster with dimension door is not within touch range of all other trapped characters.

That makes no sense. A nonspellcaster has no counter against any spell of any level. There's no counter against a wall of force either, so is wall of force broken?

 

[Moon-Lancer]

i think people object the spell because it does damage unlike wall of force, and has a longer duration, although its more passable then wall of force via magic. Also druids can pass through it like nothing, but can a wizard pass through his own wall of force like it wasn’t their? I’m just wondering...



it may be too powerfull, but i if it wasent as powerfull as it was i could think of other druid spells that would be better to take at level 9.

 

[Scion]

There's no counter against a wall of force either

Escape artist, DC 120, pass right through!

 

[maggot]

That makes no sense. A nonspellcaster has no counter against any spell of any level. There's no counter against a wall of force either, so is wall of force broken?

Many times (especially outdoors) you can just run around or fly over a wall of force. Wall of Force does not deny all movement like Wall of Thorns does. And even if Wall of Force was used in a way that did this, it wouldn't apply to such a large section of the battle field. And Wall of Force denies line of effect making it inappropriate for trap-and-zap tactics.

And then there is the fact that Wall of Thorns lasts 100 times longer than Wall of Thorns.

I've never had a problem with Wall of Force, it is a fine spell for its level. Wall of Thorns, however, is completely over the top.