Is Wall of Thorns as utterly broken as it seems to be?

[Nail]

Something tells me you have concerns with 3.5e. You and dcollins should start a thread.

 

[IcyCool]

Because the designers didn't play test their product at all and got their rules mixed up?

Yes yes, "My hat of D02 know no limits! Raargh, I hate druids! Raaa! WotC are evil and stupid! Graaarrr!"

Don't you have anything to contribute to the discussion besides druid bashing and rants?

I seem to recall you having some rather interesting arguements in the Druid thread a couple of months ago, do you have anything more like that for this thread?

 

[Infiniti2000]

beaver, do you want some cheese with that whine?

 

[Hypersmurf]

And let's get back on topic, folks.

-Hyp.
(Moderator)

 

[Artoomis]

And let's get back on topic, folks.

-Hyp.
(Moderator)

Right. I think it's been shown that Wall of Thorns is strong, but has it's weaknesses. Getting caught in one unprepared can be deadly; being properly prepared for one makes it a useless waste of time. It's easily countered by other fifth-level spells.

It seems okay to me.

 

[IcyCool]

Right. I think it's been shown that Wall of Thorns is strong, but has it's weaknesses. Getting caught in one unprepared can be deadly; being properly prepared for one makes it a useless waste of time. It's easily countered by other fifth-level spells.

It seems okay to me.

Same here. The only thing that seems really strong to me is the Strength check. Until I actually see this used in game, I'm going with: Good (but not too good) 5th level spell.

 

[Nail]

I'd say use determine it's power by using the "acid test": Use it against the PCs alot, and see how they feel about it.

 

[IcyCool]

I'd say use determine it's power by using the "acid test": Use it against the PCs alot, and see how they feel about it.

Bah! Every spell in the game would wind up banned or nerfed!

 

[maggot]

Right. I think it's been shown that Wall of Thorns is strong, but has it's weaknesses. Getting caught in one unprepared can be deadly; being properly prepared for one makes it a useless waste of time. It's easily countered by other fifth-level spells.

Most spells are useless if you are prepared for them. Is Finger of Death useless because of Death Ward? Is Magic Missile useless because of Shield?

At a minimum Wall of Thorns will require another caster to cast dispel magic, thus trading the druid's action with the opponent's action (and dispel magic is by no means certain).

And what other fifth-level spells counter Wall of Thorns for all those trapped in its effect?

I put Wall of Thorns under the "over-powered and boring" column. It can trap creatures without access to dispel or teleport, and then the druid can hammer the trapped creatures with archery or lower level spells. Not a lot of fun whether it's monsters caught in the thorns, or PCs caught in the thorns.

 

[IcyCool]

And what other fifth-level spells counter Wall of Thorns for all those trapped in its effect?

Fifth level spells? Not many. Plenty of lower level spells though. Most of them have already been mentioned ...