Item Creation Caster Levels (Is this true??)

[Caliban]

Please point out the inconsistency in "our version".

I must have missed them in your earlier postings and cannot find them. Sorry about that.

If you could explicitly point them out, I'd appreciate it.

What part of "I'm tired of this" did you miss? It's there. I'm not repeating myself again. I said earlier that I was done with this thread, and I meant it. I only posted again because of your attack on me KD.

Now please leave me the hell out of this.

 

[kreynolds]

All of these are still requirements however.

Actually, "not stopping" isn't anymore (you can split up your days however you want). *tears off before the veggies start flying*

 

[KarinsDad]

What part of "I'm tired of this" did you miss? It's there. I'm not repeating myself again. I said earlier that I was done with this thread, and I meant it. I only posted again because of your attack on me KD.

Now please leave me the hell out of this.

Only you can leave yourself "the hell out of this".

Quite frankly, I do not see a single statement made by you that illustrated inconsistencies with the opposing POV. They seem to be in your head.

Come back and play when you are more tolerant of others and their lack of comprehension of and agreement with you.

 

[KarinsDad]

Actually, "not stopping" isn't anymore (you can split up your days however you want). *tears off before the veggies start flying*

Sorry, still in 3E mode (although I did pick up 3.5 for my birthday the other day).

 

[Caliban]

Only you can leave yourself "the hell out of this".

Quite frankly, I do not see a single statement made by you that illustrated inconsistencies with the opposing POV. They seem to be in your head.

Come back and play when you are more tolerant of others and their lack of comprehension of and agreement with you.

I'll just wait until your a little less condescending.

 

[two]

I'll just read another thread. Sheesh.

 

[KarinsDad]

I'll just wait until your a little less condescending.

I wasn't aware that I was being condescending. I was aware that you appear to be in a snit and I called you on it.

In any case, I apologize for being condescending.

 

[dcollins]

I'm definitely sick and tired of all you (Artoomis, KD, Silver, etc.) acting as if there is only one possible way of reading the rules in this case. It isn't.

Then why do both Monte Cook and Sean K. Reynolds now agree that the rule needs to be re-written if it is to match their supposed design intent?

 

[Janos Audron]

I'm with Caliban on this: there are two ways to interpret things. However, I choose the version where CL is 'sometimes a requirement'. Let me give three examples:

- The normal Item [Gem of Seeing] (CL > CL of spell)
IMC, it'd have a minimum caster level of 9, since that is required to cast the True Seeing spell.

- The not so normal Item [Horn of the Tritons] (CL < CL of spell)
IMC, it'd have a minimum caster level of 9, since that is required to cast Summon Monster V.

- The CL requirement Item [Ioun Stones] (has a required CL)
IMC, it'd have a CL of 12, since that is the minimum caster level required to make the item.

Because there are items like Ioun Stones (and there are a couple more of those items), where caster level is *actually in* the prerequisite section, I let the parts of the text where it says that you must meet the prerequisite CL refer *only* to those items. Items that do not list a CL in the prerequisites section have a CL equal to the lowest CL of the highest SL.

If they went through the trouble to give a specific CL to just a couple of items, then I think that they mean the CL is a prerequisite for those items only. I mean, if the CL given is automatically the required CL, then why do Ioun Stones have both a Caster Level and a CL in the prerequisites?

[edit] Though it probably isn't going to change my mind, could somebody quote the DMG where I cannot apply the "CL is a requirement to items if and only if a CL is given in the prerequisites section" reference?

Further, all items are 3.0[/edit]

 

[dcollins]

Though it probably isn't going to change my mind, could somebody quote the DMG where I cannot apply the "CL is a requirement to items if and only if a CL is given in the prerequisites section" reference?

Here:

...the creator's caster level must be as high as the item's caster level (and prerequisites may effectively put a higher minimum on the creator's level). (3.0 DMG p. 178)

And here:

...the higher of the two caster level requirements must be met. (3.0 DMG p. 179 & 183)