Item Creation Feat and Shadow Magic?

[Kyanus Ren]

Demon Jr.

What is the rule in your campaign? Are you taking issue with your DMs ruling thus far? I personally agree with the others. Shadow Magic and Weave magic are two fundamentally different concepts. The combination of the two could lead to catastrophic results; for the casters and perhaps even the surrounding area.

 

[Pax]

Type A caster has the Item Creation Feat. Type B caster has the spells. Together they cooperate and create a magic item. Is the magic item a Type A, as a result of the Item Creation Feat, or, Type B, since that caster provided the spells?

The item will be Type C: imaginary / nonexistant.

In this situation, Type A casters and Type B casters cannot collaborate. Period.

If you INSIST on allowing this ... the item MUST be a Shadow Magic item, per the rules for the use of the Shadow Weave -- *all* items made by a Shadow Weave user are Shadow items. No exceptions.

 

[demon_jr]

Demon Jr.

What is the rule in your campaign? Are you taking issue with your DMs ruling thus far? I personally agree with the others. Shadow Magic and Weave magic are two fundamentally different concepts. The combination of the two could lead to catastrophic results; for the casters and perhaps even the surrounding area.

I don't really remember the DM making a ruling regarding this subject, so I really don't know what the ruling is for the campaign. However, I wanted to get a feel of what others thought before presenting the idea to the DM.

This is something that had crossed my mind after the party wizard, who happens to be a Shadow Weave user, mentioned cooperating with my character if I picked up an item creation feat to create magic items. He mentioned that he would be more than willing to help create magic items with me if I picked up the appropriate feat. Now that my current level allows me to pick a feat, I am contemplating the effectiveness and usefulness of picking up an Item Creation feat.

Hehe, I like your name since it is the name of an NPC within my campaign. Coincidence? Anyways, I think I have an idea what kind of ruling the DM would make regarding this subject.

Besides, I have learned that the number one rule within our campaign is to check with the DM first.



Now the question in my mind is more out of curiousity and what game mechanic ruling would be made, if the "campaign flavor" of the Shadow Weave/Weave was taken away, hence the removal of the [FR] tag.

 

[Berk]

Seems to me that you just aren't happy with the answers you have gotten even though they are correct. Looks like you just want an answer that you agree with, which prolly is sure they can work together and create an item, but that won't happen since well, it just won't. It's like putting together apples and oranges. You want the oranges to count as apples when they never can.

Anyways if you aren't playing in the FR then why do you have shadow weave magic in the campaign if there isn't any difference from it and normal magic? Only reason there would be shadow weave magic would be because it would be a different form of magic all together. Not arcane and divine different, but completely different.

And just to be a spiteful DM if you were in my campaign and acted the way you were fishing for an answer you wanted I'd say try it and you can find out, while making the item a shadow weave item that you can't use even though you spent all the exp for it.

 

[Kae'Yoss]

I think the wizard just wants to pull you over to the other side. The feat you take is the one that makes you a Shadow Weave User, and you can cooperate as much as you want.

As for the consideration of removing flavour and FR: Then there's no Shadow Weave: the shadow weave is something FR. And if you adapt it to the other campaign, they won't be able to cooperate, since you aren't using the same source of energy.

Maybe, I'd even allow the creation of such an item with those casters IMC. But it would not have the desired effect: it would be dangerous to all and blast either one who first uses it - just like a joining of matter and anti-matter. Something like a disintegrate spell, only stronger.

 

[demon_jr]

And just to be a spiteful DM if you were in my campaign and acted the way you were fishing for an answer you wanted I'd say try it and you can find out, while making the item a shadow weave item that you can't use even though you spent all the exp for it.

Well, I wouldn't see this as being spiteful since this would be a legitimate way of finding out if something works or not. I remember seeing it mentioned somewhere in the DMG, in regards to researching a new spell or creating a magic item. You never know if something will work or not unless you try it.

Let me clarify that I don't disagree as to the validity of everyone's responses, based on what everyone has written so far and the evidence they have given.

I believe, my DM has posted his thoughts as well, which answers how this will be handled in our campaign, which is in the Forgotten Realms.

 

[Berk]

Let me clarify that I don't disagree as to the validity of everyone's responses, based on what everyone has written so far and the evidence they have given.

I believe, my DM has posted his thoughts as well, which answers how this will be handled in our campaign, which is in the Forgotten Realms.

Then why do you keep fishing for an answer that suits you better when everyone has already said nope, won't work?

 

[demon_jr]

Then why do you keep fishing for an answer that suits you better when everyone has already said nope, won't work?

You are the one implying that I am fishing for answer that supposedly suits me better.

What gives you reason for this?

I have tried my best to act in a civil and polite manner and if for some reason I have come accross differently, then that may be a failing on my part.

I have already stated that based on the evidence that previous posters have presented, that I do not dispute what they have said.

The answers that have been given up to this point have been helpful and are much appreciated.

 

[Berk]

What gives you reason for this?

Because you keep asking for an answer after you have gotten many. =o)

 

[demon_jr]

Because you keep asking for an answer after you have gotten many. =o)