I've got the 3.5 PHB in front of me

[BryonD]

Re: Re: The PA logic

I can't dig that funky logic, man.

Under the old PA, they both trade the same chance to miss for the same potential benefit. Because the 2H guy deals a lot more damage, he stands to lose a lot more if he misses. So he has more reason to NOT use PA.

 

[MisterTwister]

As far as the whole Power Attack thing, does this mean that just because someone has slain a bunch of ogeres and dragons that they can now hack through iron gates and thick walls of stone like they were butter? If they increased hardnesses, then why is it now harder for those without the feat to damage these things?
All of the changes seem good except this one. In my opinion Power attack was out of control before. Now its just insane. Was anyone actually thinking to themselves, "Ya know, Power Attack should be stronger."

 

[Fenes 2]

Probably those who calculated power attack with full attack actions, where PAing for more than +2 usually set you back statistically.

Myself, I usually see PA used with a charge attack, where it is very, very powerful since you don't have iterative attacks in such a situation.

 

[pech21]

What does Two Weapon Defense do?

PS You are somply amazing -- the amazing oodroyman (goes into themesong...)

 

[Videssian]

Can you post the info on the Expertise feat? I'm curious to see if it still has that limit of using +5 from the BAB (ie: does it now incorporate what Improved Expertise (OA) does?). And also what the prereqs are.

Thanks!
Videssian

 

[Endur]

Armor Changes?

Hi Roy,

Have any of the armor's changed their values or their dex max?

Tom

 

[Felon]

You are forgetting that in most cases the ranger feats seem to be available earlier than you would be able to get them via straight feat achievement (the TWF at 6th and 11th certainly).

No, they're set up so you get them when a character would have the minimum BAB to receive them through a linear, single-class progression.

The only situation where I can see someone missing out is if they pout and stamp and say I MUST have TWF at *1st* level or my entire character concept is null and void" - not withstanding the miniscule amount of time characters actually spend at 1st level.

Some feats are necessary ASAP to make the concept viable. Precise Shot is very much needed for an archer. I don't think that's petulent on his part. The class should have been designed to take into account.

But how is this different than how it works now?

The character should be designed to work well, no to work somewhat better than it does now.

If you've already got the feat, then you are so advanced that anything a low level ranger would get is going to be very minor to you. That pretty well sums my side up.

Just because you already have point blank shot before your ranger reaches 9th-level, you're not hyper-advanced. At any rate, the design could have taken this account, but didn't.

I can agree that a choice would be better. I am not saying you are wrong. But, imo, you are significantly over-stating it. The scenario you describe will be so rare as to be irrelevant.

A choice would have been better. I'm stating that pretty plainly, neither over nor under. And no, it won't be all that rare a scenario for mult-classers.

I don't really play rangers, don't really care about'em, but a flawed design is a flawed design. Going into denial mode doesn't change that.

 

[MisterTwister]

Man this guy's getting packed like a tourist that gave a Calcutta beggar a dollar.

 

[BryonD]

I don't really play rangers, don't really care about'em, but a flawed design is a flawed design. Going into denial mode doesn't change that.

Eh, you're wrong. No big deal. Enjoy your game.

 

[Belen]

Ugh! After 3 years, can we PLEASE stop hearing about Rangers!? Yes, they were a little front loaded in 3e, but they were still a good, viable class!

They are now a bit overpowered in 3.5 and still we hear complaining. The design is not flawed. Any person can look at the Ranger and say.."gee whiz, I get precise shot at 2nd level, so I will take another feat at 1st level."

Sorry to say, that even a multi-class character can still look at the Ranger stats and take feats around the virtual feats.

And since a Ranger gets, good BaB, skills, spells, and a ton of special abilities, then I fully agree with virtual feats, just to keep them from being overpowered combat dogs.

No lists, no making feats "real" etc. The class is powerful enough as is!

By the way, Roy...you da man! Any Bard info would be greatly appreciated.

Dave