[James Bond] The next movie directed by Denis Villeneuve

[Clint_L]

and there goes one of the elements that makes it a Bond movie. I said in the previous discussion when Amazon picked up the rights and everyone was suggesting basically not a Bond movie, "folks want Bond but not Bond"

I feel that the core concept of Bond transcends misogyny. But if it can't, maybe its time is done. It's 2025 - we've moved past the Hefner era of gender politics.

 

[payn]

I feel that the core concept of Bond transcends misogyny. But if it can't, maybe its time is done. It's 2025 - we've moved past the Hefner era of gender politics.

I dont feel like the Craig era of Bond films fits that description at all.

 

[Morrus]

It has been really interesting to see how different the responses are! I thought my opinion was more widely held. I'd be curious to hear what people find more compelling about the Bond ones.

It's competitors are all just generic spy movies with a brand name. Bond is that, but it has character--iconic elements built up over decades that those other things just can't compete with. Aston Martins, Rolexes and Omegas, Q-branch, the gadgets, M, Moneypenny, vodka martinis, Anthony Sinclair, Brioni, and Tom Ford suits, "Bond, James Bond", even the Bond girls (though that's certainly got its problems), it's just rich. Superficially so, yes, I'll be the first to admit, but these things give it a certain character which differentiates it from the rest of the pack. It's just got style. And it's British, which also makes it stand out from the endless morass of bland CIA slop.

Sure, you might not enjoy that style, and its competitors certainly have their strengths (and sometimes Bond borrows from them--but, hey, like they don't borrow from Bond?) but I guess there's a reason Bond is the 4th biggest movie franchise on the planet (after Marvel, Star Wars, and Potter), and Bourne or Mission Impossible are not.

Never confuse "it doesn't appeal to me personally" with "it's not popular". Bond is very, very popular.

 

[Older Beholder]

I can’t wait for this.
Denis Villeneuve only knows how to make masterpieces.

 

[Morrus]

I can’t wait for this.
Denis Villeneuve only knows how to make masterpieces.

I wish he'd make one, then. Yeah, yeah, I know....

Never confuse "it doesn't appeal to me personally" with "it's not popular".

 

[Morrus]

I dont feel like the Craig era of Bond films fits that description at all.

Yeah, me neither. People seem to be acting like the last 20 years of billion-dollar gritty Bond films never happened, and the last Bond film starred Roger Moore or something. Weird.

 

[Aeson]

and there goes one of the elements that makes it a Bond movie. I said in the previous discussion when Amazon picked up the rights and everyone was suggesting basically not a Bond movie, "folks want Bond but not Bond"

This! Exactly! And as Morrus said. If you start removing the parts you don't like, it stops being what it was. To me Bond was awesome gadgets, cheesy one liners and innuendo, and beautiful sexy women.

The man saves the world from evil geniuses on the regular, let him enjoy the time he gets off. More importantly let us live vicariously through him.

 

[The Firebird]

It's competitors are all just generic spy movies with a brand name. Bond is that, but it has character--iconic elements built up over decades that those other things just can't compete with. Aston Martins, Rolexes and Omegas, Q-branch, the gadgets, M, Moneypenny, vodka martinis, Anthony Sinclair, Brioni, and Tom Ford suits, "Bond, James Bond", even the Bond girls (though that's certainly got its problems), it's just rich. Superficially so, yes, I'll be the first to admit, but these things give it a certain character which differentiates it from the rest of the pack. It's just got style. And it's British, which also makes it stand out from the endless morass of bland CIA slop.

Cool, yeah, that makes sense. I guess the cars and the watches and the suits don't really appeal to me, so I suppose that's part of it. Also the sexism angle, I think, bothers me more than most... enough to crowd out any positives, so for me the franchise comes across primarily for its poor approach to gender. Then again, I find The Empire Strikes Back a hard watch for its approach to romance, so I don't think my tastes are representative there.

 

[Older Beholder]

I wish he'd make one, then. Yeah, yeah, I know....

I just keep picturing the intensity of films like Prisoners and Sicario applied to the more gritty realism of a the Craig era Bond films, and I think it’ll work really well.

I guess we still need to see who gets cast as Bond.

 

[trappedslider]

I feel that the core concept of Bond transcends misogyny. But if it can't, maybe its time is done. It's 2025 - we've moved past the Hefner era of gender politics.

Well, give what others have stated and your own admittance that you're not a bond fan...maybe just skip the Bond movie and watch some other spy movie