JLA vs Avengers - who wins?
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Based on the current movie depictions?
Justice League. Because the Avengers care about collateral damage while the Man of Steel, apparently, does not.
The Hulk is well known for his careful avoidance of collateral damage!
delericho
Legend
The Hulk isn't, but Banner?
If you want a serious answer, the JLA still win. Green Lantern deals with the Hulk by caging him and moving him off-planet - with his inability to fly he's relatively easily dealt with. Batman counters Iron Man, and Supes counters Thor.
That leaves Wonder Woman and the Flash vs Black Widow, Cap, and Hawkeye. Even with the drag factor of Aquaman, they should be able to handle it.
If you want a serious answer, the JLA still win. Green Lantern deals with the Hulk by caging him and moving him off-planet - with his inability to fly he's relatively easily dealt with. Batman counters Iron Man, and Supes counters Thor.
That leaves Wonder Woman and the Flash vs Black Widow, Cap, and Hawkeye. Even with the drag factor of Aquaman, they should be able to handle it.
How close the fight is depends on which era and who is a member, but I'd lean towards the JLA winning, regardless.
1) As the only one able to travel through time under his own power, The Flash is pretty much the fastest speedster in comics. Even when he was depicted in an homage in Marvel Comics as the amnesiac "Buried Alien"- as I recall, he had died or was thought dead in DC Comics at the time- he beat all of the speedsters in the Marvel Universe in a foot race in which they all had a head start.
2) Batman- psychotically- has a plan to defeat any meta human of which he is aware. As a problem solver, Tony Stark is his intellectual equal or superior, but he's not driven quite the same way.
3) At the peak of his power, not only could Superman travel through time himself, he was so strong he was capable of moving whole planets. While there is no known upper limit to The Hulk's strength, there's a delay built into his ramping up based on his temper. Even if you add Thor, Hercules, Iron Man, Wonder Man and The Vision to the Avengers lineup, the JLA can basically counter with Wonder Woman, the Martian Manhunter and Green Lantern.
When you get to the others, it's kind of a wash- Hawkeye vs Green Arrow, Atom vs Ant-Man/Giant-man/Yellowjacket, Scarlet Witch vs Zatanna...
So...it kind of becomes a "who shoots first, wins" showdown, with the JLA having the edge, IMHO.
1) As the only one able to travel through time under his own power, The Flash is pretty much the fastest speedster in comics. Even when he was depicted in an homage in Marvel Comics as the amnesiac "Buried Alien"- as I recall, he had died or was thought dead in DC Comics at the time- he beat all of the speedsters in the Marvel Universe in a foot race in which they all had a head start.
2) Batman- psychotically- has a plan to defeat any meta human of which he is aware. As a problem solver, Tony Stark is his intellectual equal or superior, but he's not driven quite the same way.
3) At the peak of his power, not only could Superman travel through time himself, he was so strong he was capable of moving whole planets. While there is no known upper limit to The Hulk's strength, there's a delay built into his ramping up based on his temper. Even if you add Thor, Hercules, Iron Man, Wonder Man and The Vision to the Avengers lineup, the JLA can basically counter with Wonder Woman, the Martian Manhunter and Green Lantern.
When you get to the others, it's kind of a wash- Hawkeye vs Green Arrow, Atom vs Ant-Man/Giant-man/Yellowjacket, Scarlet Witch vs Zatanna...
So...it kind of becomes a "who shoots first, wins" showdown, with the JLA having the edge, IMHO.
Actually, if the kid gloves are off, Supes, Flash and GL could probably kill most of the Avengers because of their speed and ability to strike from range- including from orbit- before the Avengers even knew there was a fight going on.
The wildcards would be The Scarlet Witch's reality warping Hex power and whether Thor's power to call on lighting would be considered "magic" when it came to Superman's vulnerability.
The wildcards would be The Scarlet Witch's reality warping Hex power and whether Thor's power to call on lighting would be considered "magic" when it came to Superman's vulnerability.
Tonguez
A suffusion of yellow
Batman could easily take Ironman and as for everyone else, Superman is way overpowered and so he beats everyone except the Hulk. (The Hulk can beat Supes!) however The Hulk gets dealt with by Green Lantern (as explained above) and thrown into space to become the new king of an alien planet.
What I want to see is a Superman vs Martian Manhunter fight - who wins that?
What I want to see is a Superman vs Martian Manhunter fight - who wins that?
Fire is MM's Kryptonite. Heat vision is the winner there.
Without that weakness, they're a physical match, with MM adding mental powers, giving him the win.
I think there's a hole in your reasoning there, Danny - the ranged combat ability isn't huge there. Only Superman can hit from really long range (like from orbit), as he is the only one with the visual acuity for it. Anyone else (including Green Lantern) has to be in basic line of sight - within striking distance of repulsor beams, arrows, or Mjolnir. The Flash is fast, but he doesn't hit *hard* - his strength is in special effects, not damaging punches, as is seen in how some of his biggest enemies are basically guys with special effects guns.
The result cannot be predicted unless we know who knows what. Broadly speaking, DC heroes are more powerful than Marvel ones (which is often a problem for DC, as it makes their characters difficult to relate to, but anyway). But, those powerful heroes have iconic weaknesses. So, do the Avengers know about Kryptonite? Or the Green Lantern's traditional weakness to yellow? I mean, the fight looks very different if Iron Man gets to tune his repulsors to give off Kryptonite radiation, or if the Hulk knows to throw a school bus (*Yellow!* *Wham!*) at Green Lantern. On the flip side - Batman's ability to take down heroes is based on *preparation*. If he hasn't studied the Avengers, he may not be terribly impressive in this fight - more like Hawkeye or Black Widow than Iron Man.
There are other ways this falls out that have nothing to do with superpowers. Consider: The Flash is normally a really nice guy. Superman (as normally written) is a big Boy Scout. Captain America is an even bigger Boy Scout, but one with extra charisma - one inspiring speech from Cap, and those two DC heroes may be easily convinced that there shouldn't be a fight at all. And if Superman decides to help *stop* the fight, I think the fight is done.
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