D&D General Joe Manganiello: Compares Early 5E to BG 3 . How Important is Lore?

Mistwell

Crusty Old Meatwad (he/him)
Strawman it's not about sales it's his opinion.

I agree with about half of what he's saying.
How is it is a strawman to reply to a "Seems like sales are down as well from the bookscan data" with "sales are still strong?" I mean there are cogent responses to that, but "strawman" is definitely not one of them.

Also, that sentence appears nowhere in the linked article.
 

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Zardnaar

Legend
How is it is a strawman to reply to a "Seems like sales are down as well from the bookscan data" with "sales are still strong?" I mean there are cogent responses to that, but "strawman" is definitely not one of them.

Also, that sentence appears nowhere in the linked article.

Wires crossed here apologies. Sales can still be strong and be down.

The video that started the sales are down thing used hard numbers and several products.

Context was the adventures were what they were looking at. Internet being internet ran with it.

So overall sales could be up for example and still down on the adventures.
 

Mournblade94

Adventurer
The Forgotten Realms Lore change stopped me from adopting 4e and playing it. Then 5e came out and in my opinion they left too much of 4e lore in it for me to sign on to 5e fully. I'm more into lore than mechanics and if something lorewise meant something got unbalanced mechanically I let it fly.

The Jedi will always be the strongest in the party and I won't let lip service to balance change that. 4e was more about balance than lore. I just had no fun with it.

They should have though never moved Mike Mearls out. Never listen to people on twitter. I think though even he couldn't have saved alot of the lore changes from the Twitter swarms.
 

Mournblade94

Adventurer
It was the same game.


It's is just that in each of the last 3 edition changes, new tools and new fan considerations were added to the game.

I mean the mechanics and base lore of the older editions were sooo rigid that older setting would be forced to update with newer editions or straight up no longer get support.
I would have Vastly preferred the Forgotten Realms ending with 3rd edition rather than the pale shadow of it of 4e and 5e. I rather get no development than bad development. I can't agree though that 4e was the same game. They called in Dungeons and Dragons but it never felt like I was playing Dungeons and Dragons.
 



Mournblade94

Adventurer
Exactly.

The notion that a setting designed for an edition 40 years ago should remain unchanged and unchallenged despite the game having radically changed. Greyhawk and Dragonlance and such should be held to lore elements designed to accomidate rules that are decades out of date.
I can't disagree with this more strongly. There are various settings for various tastes. If people do not have the creativity to work within limitations than there are plenty of other settings for them.
 

Mournblade94

Adventurer
I don't think you are getting the point.

WOTC is not going to use a setting written in 1970s or 1980s for a 2020s audience.

If you want WOTC to not change the lore, they can. However they wont reprint the settings and create expansions of their lore.
Can't have your cake and eat it too. Can re-offer an unchanged, not updated, setting to a customer base not in the same demo and expect big bucks.

Old shows and movies go to the old tv show network and streaming service.
The remakes get changes and updates.
Don't want changes then you wont get the remake.
And the ease of remakes which are usually worst, are coming at the cost of originality. Write new stories for the 'modern sensibilities' and let the legacies stay what they were. Theres so much available now that every single old thing redone feels like a cash grab.
 


Remathilis

Legend
I can't disagree with this more strongly. There are various settings for various tastes. If people do not have the creativity to work within limitations than there are plenty of other settings for them.
Dragonlance is a setting for the D&D game. It is not an independent IP that has been adapted to use the D&D system. (such as Star Wars using the Storyteller system). As a supplement to D&D, the setting supports the game, not vice versa.
 

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