Ryujin
Legend
Yeah, maybe...
... he specifically engineered it to bring his daughter in, so that she could corroborate that Skyfox was the engineer of the whole thing? He planned for the dive to "go sideways" so that he would "need help"?
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Got to the end. Yep, I liked it, but I'm not in love with it. A lot of people criticized the aging makeup and the costumes, but I thought they were fine.
I don't think I quite understood what was happening at the end though, and I think I need to watch it again. George is Skyfox, who is basically Batman but he went rogue and is the world's greatest supervillain. Wotsisname (the brother with mental powers) created a clone of big nuclear metal guy but made it look like Skyfox did it. And then went into the clone's mind and had a fight with Skyfox in there because reasons? Yeah, I need to watch that again!
Ryujin
Legend
DrunkonDuty and I were discussing exactly that in our spoilers. Same sort of confusion.
DrunkonDuty
he/him
Ah! Yeah. That makes more sense than what I suggested.
damiller
Adventurer
Just finished Ep 6!!! They even referenced Lovecraft!!!
I like how they are showing the old guard. Yes they are out of touch but not negatively so, they just don't know how (or aren't willing) to relate to the world as it is changing.
This really hits home in general as I consider current events (especially in America) and I like that the Old Guard doesn't seem to have a monolithic response. Some (if spoilers be true) decide to take a more manipulative approach, and some double down, but so far it seems that they are just not sure what to do.
Which is weird, because the younger supers are in the same boat. They are on the cusp of taking the mantle and they don't really know either.
I love that they've captured thy dynamic between the old guard and new guard (here and culturally) and yet neither is blamed. The Code was good, it did keep people safe, but it can't respond to reality - only the people can.
This is why I love comic books.
I like how they are showing the old guard. Yes they are out of touch but not negatively so, they just don't know how (or aren't willing) to relate to the world as it is changing.
This really hits home in general as I consider current events (especially in America) and I like that the Old Guard doesn't seem to have a monolithic response. Some (if spoilers be true) decide to take a more manipulative approach, and some double down, but so far it seems that they are just not sure what to do.
Which is weird, because the younger supers are in the same boat. They are on the cusp of taking the mantle and they don't really know either.
I love that they've captured thy dynamic between the old guard and new guard (here and culturally) and yet neither is blamed. The Code was good, it did keep people safe, but it can't respond to reality - only the people can.
This is why I love comic books.
DeviousQuail
Hero
Just finished the show. My guess is
Walter needed a way to put Sheldon's code on the line. Either save his son by killing Blackstar, which negates the code, or let Blackstar kill Brandon, which sends the young heroes looking for something other than the code. The mental fight with Skyfox seems like Walt making the best of an imperfect situation. He said he didn't want his daughter there but Grace forced his hand. So play it up, make it look like skyfox is the BBEG, and maybe get his daughter on the same side. Riaku (sp?) could say what she saw and Grace wouldn't be able to say she's lying (apparently that's her superpower that I didn't know she had until five minutes before but is fitting for a journalist). If Grace doesn't ask to bring in Riaku maybe Walt does the fight anyway so he can split up the OG heroes, sending Utopian and Brandon to fight Blackstar, while being able to tell Grace he saw Skyfox without lying. Not sure if her power works on him. Risky, but worst case scenario everyone is okay, the code isn't broken, Skyfox is still enemy #1, and Walt moves on to a new plan to break up the Union.
Otherwise I thought it was a decent show. You won't get MCU caliber action pieces but it's a well told story that I'd be willing to see continue.
damiller
Adventurer
Episode 7 was really good.
The fact that the door way scene was full of music made me think of Michio Kaku's discussion in his newest book about the fact that Music explains the foundations of the universe.
I appreciated the fact that they had to gain entrance to their powers together, and I thought it was a nice touch of Lord of the Rings that they were bound together. And the fact that each of them saw the person they most looked up to had me misty eyed. Would'nt it be nice if we all were told by someone we loved tell us "You are worthy." How different the world would be.
I am so pleased with this show and I think I am going to take a real hard hit in EP 8.
The fact that the door way scene was full of music made me think of Michio Kaku's discussion in his newest book about the fact that Music explains the foundations of the universe.
I appreciated the fact that they had to gain entrance to their powers together, and I thought it was a nice touch of Lord of the Rings that they were bound together. And the fact that each of them saw the person they most looked up to had me misty eyed. Would'nt it be nice if we all were told by someone we loved tell us "You are worthy." How different the world would be.
I am so pleased with this show and I think I am going to take a real hard hit in EP 8.
I do think the reveal clarifies it
So once its revealed that Walt is the BBEG, the fight makes sense. He tried to fool Grace and Raiku that Skyfox had set some kind of trap and therefore confirmed to be the man behind the curtain. That scene was a complete facade, if no one had gone in after Walt it would never have existed, Walt would simply have come out and said "yep its Starfox alright, i've seen it"
My general thoughts, I'll keep it in spoilers:
I think the show was alright, though I did binge it which tends to make anything more watchable. The focus on the code is interesting, and very understandable from Sheldon's part. When your the top dog, you have no one to answer to but yourself, so the code is created as something to answer to. Its the ultimate check, the line in the sand that can never be crossed or the goodness starts to die.
Its well done in that people start dying, and people very reasonably say "if the code causes good people to die, screw the code". But Sheldon has to look beyond the hear and now. He knows that power corrupts, and that ultimately without the code you will have something far worse than a few dead superheroes....you'll have a league of superheroes that have all become villains and don't even recognize it. But that's very very very hard to argue when their are dead kids on the deck.
Ultimately the backstory was my favorite part, I considered that the real A plot, and the modern timeline was B. I was disappointed at the end of that though, the way they kept eluding to "the price we had to pay to get these powers" I was half expecting they had to sacrifice family members, or that Sheldon has actually been making constant sacrifices to some ancient being over the decades or something. The "price" was going someplace, crossing some bad terrain, and "fake forgiving" your fellows (seriously that was the worst part, they were like "you have to make amends"....Sheldon and Walt have a little shoulder pat with each other and all is well with the alien space machine.....wth?)
I mean sure it was hell of an adventure and very dangerous, but it didn't match the ominous way they kept referring to the "price" and the "sacrifices".
Let me finish that the teleporting rod is awesome, probably the best scene in the show was when Starfox's kid has been threatened by the "Big Boss", more specifically his friends. The man has tried to make amends, tried to do things the peaceful way. But when finally cornered he bares his fangs, sends the rod into the Big Man's heart and back again like it was out getting pizza. Its shocking and awesome, and really speaks to the guy's character (not quick to kill, but willing to).
Its well done in that people start dying, and people very reasonably say "if the code causes good people to die, screw the code". But Sheldon has to look beyond the hear and now. He knows that power corrupts, and that ultimately without the code you will have something far worse than a few dead superheroes....you'll have a league of superheroes that have all become villains and don't even recognize it. But that's very very very hard to argue when their are dead kids on the deck.
Ultimately the backstory was my favorite part, I considered that the real A plot, and the modern timeline was B. I was disappointed at the end of that though, the way they kept eluding to "the price we had to pay to get these powers" I was half expecting they had to sacrifice family members, or that Sheldon has actually been making constant sacrifices to some ancient being over the decades or something. The "price" was going someplace, crossing some bad terrain, and "fake forgiving" your fellows (seriously that was the worst part, they were like "you have to make amends"....Sheldon and Walt have a little shoulder pat with each other and all is well with the alien space machine.....wth?)
I mean sure it was hell of an adventure and very dangerous, but it didn't match the ominous way they kept referring to the "price" and the "sacrifices".
Let me finish that the teleporting rod is awesome, probably the best scene in the show was when Starfox's kid has been threatened by the "Big Boss", more specifically his friends. The man has tried to make amends, tried to do things the peaceful way. But when finally cornered he bares his fangs, sends the rod into the Big Man's heart and back again like it was out getting pizza. Its shocking and awesome, and really speaks to the guy's character (not quick to kill, but willing to).
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Ryujin
Legend
But...
... that only makes sense if the entire wind-up was purely for us, the audience, since I don't think that the conversation before Raiku did a deep dive, also, supports that she was aware of what was going on. Sad to see that Anna will only have the one appearance. I liked her character.
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