[Just Curious] Darksun greatest villian
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Alzrius
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Hmm, well, the uber-villains of the campaign are Rajaat and the Sorcerer-kings, overshadowing most other villains (such as Tithian) by far.
My personal favorite villain is Dregoth. Whereas Rajaat is imprisoned, and the other sorcerer-kings are sitting around doing nothing, Dregoth watches, waits, and plans, all in secret. Having recently returned from scouring the planes with his Mirror of Planar Travel (or whatever its called) one of the few ways to reliably reach other planes from Athas, Dregoth, the undead dragon-king, is ready to make a bid to not only reach full dragon status despite his undead state, but to become a true god as well (something he doesn't realize is doomed to failure on Athas). Soon, an entire city-state (probably Raam) will be his. Face it, Dregoth rocks. I personally can't wait to see the Dregoth Ascending mega-adventure.
Here's the blurb from its teaser on the official Dark Sun website:
The Dread King walks the surface world again.
An Army of Light decends upon one of the seven, and casts it into Darkness.
And the blood of thousands of unbelievers runs in rivers at the feet of he who would be a god.
My personal favorite villain is Dregoth. Whereas Rajaat is imprisoned, and the other sorcerer-kings are sitting around doing nothing, Dregoth watches, waits, and plans, all in secret. Having recently returned from scouring the planes with his Mirror of Planar Travel (or whatever its called) one of the few ways to reliably reach other planes from Athas, Dregoth, the undead dragon-king, is ready to make a bid to not only reach full dragon status despite his undead state, but to become a true god as well (something he doesn't realize is doomed to failure on Athas). Soon, an entire city-state (probably Raam) will be his. Face it, Dregoth rocks. I personally can't wait to see the Dregoth Ascending mega-adventure.
Here's the blurb from its teaser on the official Dark Sun website:
The Dread King walks the surface world again.
An Army of Light decends upon one of the seven, and casts it into Darkness.
And the blood of thousands of unbelievers runs in rivers at the feet of he who would be a god.
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Albert_Fish
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I preferred Borys of Ebe.followed by Nibenay...maybe the king of Tyr (his name escapes me at the moment). But personally i hated Dark Sun after they killed the Sorceror Kings. The setting went from original to utter Crap in justa few books. The only sorceror king that i ever played with as written was kalak.
Just my opinion.
Just my opinion.
megamania
Hero
Tithian perhaps or he means Kalak.
Each of the rulers are fun in their own evil ways. Hamanu for his "lawful" evil, Abech-Re for her "chaotic" nature. Dregoth for his unyeilding ambition.
Has anyone tried to use the "newer" Dragon Kings depicted in the second boxed set? I like how psychotic and paranoid Daskinor is.
Anyone try to create their own sorcerer-kings?
Each of the rulers are fun in their own evil ways. Hamanu for his "lawful" evil, Abech-Re for her "chaotic" nature. Dregoth for his unyeilding ambition.
Has anyone tried to use the "newer" Dragon Kings depicted in the second boxed set? I like how psychotic and paranoid Daskinor is.
Anyone try to create their own sorcerer-kings?
Alzrius
The EN World kitten
megamania said:
Since Albert remembered Kalak's name, but said he couldn't remember the name of the King of Tyr, I assumed Tithian (despite having said it in my first post here).
Neither of the two "new" sorcerer-kings has been detailed much at all. Oronis himself is a reformed dragon-king, who made the jump from Dragon to Avangion. He's no longer a villain.
Daskinor is, as you said, psychotic and paranoid, suffering from (as I understand it) paranoid delusions. He, polar to Oronis, makes great villain material, if only there was more on him.
The new official product Wisdom of the Drylanders adds some great flavor material on Eldaarich, Daskinor's city-state, which in turn helps to flesh out Daskinor himself somewhat.
IMHO, it doesn't work too well to make a new sorcerer-king, since that seems to change the balance of power somewhat in the region, unless, like the two just mentioned, their outside the region, but that would involve going beyond what's charted in the existing products.
megamania
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I jump around a lot in Athas' history. In the "In Character " Darksun game I am soon to begin (check it out) I am running a game that occurs 1800 years ago in Kalidnay before the Ravenloft events. In the comic I do I have a Sorcerer-King named Bane whom will be taken out around the time of Kalak. I also have Valentine whom is located East of Ur draxa on that landmass.
I felt the need to expand on the sorcerer-kings since "Rise and Fall..." mentioned there were scores of Champions. Some of these I'm sure didn't survive the Cleansing Wars or were picked off quickly by the likes of Borys or Dregoth. Most simpily didn't get past the first 100 or so years of being free of Rajaat whom frankly protected his "favorites" like Hamanu.
I felt the need to expand on the sorcerer-kings since "Rise and Fall..." mentioned there were scores of Champions. Some of these I'm sure didn't survive the Cleansing Wars or were picked off quickly by the likes of Borys or Dregoth. Most simpily didn't get past the first 100 or so years of being free of Rajaat whom frankly protected his "favorites" like Hamanu.
Alzrius
The EN World kitten
Blah, "Rise and Fall of a Dragon-King" was horribly non-canon and didn't mesh well with anything except the previous Chronicles of Athas books by the same author. In fact, pretty much every novel except the Prism Pentad was non-canon for Dark Sun, it annoyed me no end.
To clarify, that book didn't say there were "scores" of Champions, it just changed some of the ones that were already there, adding a couple of new ones ("Pennarin" or whatever he/she was called), and changing some others (Lalali-Puy became "Innenek" among other awful alterations). And of course, Hamanu was casted as a tired but virtuous person, a hero, and not a villain. It didn't sit well with me at all.
Your work sounds interesting (even if I am a stickler for canon), though the name "Bane" makes me roll my eyes a bit. That's the name of a FR god, a Ravenloft god (until 3E changed it to "The Lawgiver"), and a saint who nearly destroyed Orcus. "Valentine" just seems not to fit in the setting at all, but thats just my opinion.
To clarify, that book didn't say there were "scores" of Champions, it just changed some of the ones that were already there, adding a couple of new ones ("Pennarin" or whatever he/she was called), and changing some others (Lalali-Puy became "Innenek" among other awful alterations). And of course, Hamanu was casted as a tired but virtuous person, a hero, and not a villain. It didn't sit well with me at all.
Your work sounds interesting (even if I am a stickler for canon), though the name "Bane" makes me roll my eyes a bit. That's the name of a FR god, a Ravenloft god (until 3E changed it to "The Lawgiver"), and a saint who nearly destroyed Orcus. "Valentine" just seems not to fit in the setting at all, but thats just my opinion.
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megamania
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Bane just sounds cool. It is over used but so are Drow.
As far as Valentine, Yeah but tell that to the minotaurs she killed off.
As far as "Rise and Fall..." , it did get a bit away from the orginal five books but it gave much more depth to the characters and a bit of reasoning to how the Cleansing Wars began and the motivations involved. I really had hoped for similar character histories of other favorite Dragon Kings. My main issue was the suggestion that 1000 years from now Manu would return and be redeemed. That didn't sit well with me.
As far as Valentine, Yeah but tell that to the minotaurs she killed off.
As far as "Rise and Fall..." , it did get a bit away from the orginal five books but it gave much more depth to the characters and a bit of reasoning to how the Cleansing Wars began and the motivations involved. I really had hoped for similar character histories of other favorite Dragon Kings. My main issue was the suggestion that 1000 years from now Manu would return and be redeemed. That didn't sit well with me.
Alzrius
The EN World kitten
I think you lost track of the flow near the end of the book. It doesn't say anything about him "returning and being redeemed" at the end. He died. That's what that bit at the very end was, he met that woman he loved in the afterlife and they were happy together, making it yet another non-canon point, since previous books had established that Athas's dead go to the Grey and forget their lives.
"Get a bit away"? I could go on and on about things it got wrong. The story was interesting, and read very well, but it just irks me that the author couldn't seem to find a way to make the book interesting and a good read while working within the boundaries of the setting, instead of twisting and breaking them.
"Get a bit away"? I could go on and on about things it got wrong. The story was interesting, and read very well, but it just irks me that the author couldn't seem to find a way to make the book interesting and a good read while working within the boundaries of the setting, instead of twisting and breaking them.
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