Just saw X-Men III (Now with spoilers!)

[fanboy2000]

The bad thing was the lack of the superpowers being used for anything other than mindless violence. Blow up cars, kill people...yay. The bad thing is that it takes the stuff Xavier was pushing in the first two movies, and throws them out the door.

I liked the use of superpowers in this movie. For example: Beast reading on the ceiling, Mystique trying to play mind games with guards, Iceman taking Kitty iceskating, Kitty tricking Juggernaut, the kid flying the paper airplanes, and Storm's mood manifesting in the weather. There are more examples, but thouse are some of my favorites.

 

[Abraxas]

Oh, there's a big difference, but Iceman's been shown to freeze large amounts of water in the comics. If they de-powered him for the movie, (and X3 seems to suggest that they haven't) then I feel that some kind of limitation should have been mentioned or shown. As the movie stands now, the only reason I would think he can't stop it is because he didn't.

Well this is a young iceman, and his powers were limited when he was younger - it was only later that he really gets powerful, and X3 showed that he was getting more powerful at the end when he takes on the body of ice.

 

[WayneLigon]

errr aren't they superheroes. Can't they do anything.

Uh, no. They can't. Marvel heroes in particular have a lot more limitations on them to begin with; not that they have to contend with physics and all that nonsense but they Marvel more than DC makes a nod to the real world and how it limits what their heroes can do.

...jaggaurents abilities were now mutant origin- but this was only done not to save time on inputing the plot-- which would have been ok- but was done so that they can show him running into a wall and knocking himself out like an idiot).

No, it was done to showcase Kitty's cleverness under pressure that she tricks him to going to the one place where his mutant power means nothing: inside Leech's nullification field.

 

[Abraxas]

I guarentee you this will be the new model for trilogy enders in the future

Lord I hope not.
The movie going public can be suckered into a lot.

 

[DonTadow]

I liked the use of superpowers in this movie. For example: Beast reading on the ceiling, Mystique trying to play mind games with guards, Iceman taking Kitty iceskating, Kitty tricking Juggernaut, the kid flying the paper airplanes, and Storm's mood manifesting in the weather. There are more examples, but thouse are some of my favorites.

Errr, yeah, wow, yeah thats why I love comic books and media. To see them fly paper airplanes and change the weather. Storm controls the weather but can't stop the trouble at the end of part, two, not alone Iceman couldn't.


What would have been better, attempting to find a way to stop hte juggarnet in the traditional non-mutant sense or depowering him so that you can get a good comic relief scene.

THe numbers just prove that if you take a popular title and blow enough stuff up it will make money.

As aparto f a triology it fails miserably. It took the whole non violent, find a good way to use your powers, different message and squatted on it for showboating one ups men ship. Ironically, it reminds me of the way the Detroit Pistons are playing basketball now. In the regular season (I:E: last two xmen films), teamwork and defense were pushed. IN the playoffs, their having tough fights with low level minions for the sake of giving the actors individual screen time.

IN part two, a crazy military operation to wipe out mutants is stopped by the xmen. In part three, a military operation to create a weapon that will wipe out a mutants powers is saved. IN part one and two, Xavier stresses individual choice and self control over powers. IN x3 he's a control freak whom stresses that there area select few whom should make decisions on what is right and what is wrong. In part one and two, the xmen have a couple of good teamwork teams where they get the bad guys, minimal casulaties and save the day. Not a single scene like that in the movie. I watched it with my nephew and was seriously surprised that this movie wasn't rated R. We saw simulated sex, countless onscreen killings, a few beheadings, lots of people shot

 

[WayneLigon]

I"ve watched the X-men in different genres, i've never seen "good" x'men rack up a body count like that. (not phoenix, that made sense, i'm talking about wolverine slashing and killing what really was just some angry teens much like the ones at the mansion.

A couple other people mentioned this, so I'll talk about it.

If you've watched them, other than in the first two movies, you've seen them in cartoons made for kids where you can't show any killing. In the comics, he's murdered probably hundreds of people. Mutants, ninjas, guards doing their job, whatever; especially when he goes into a berserker rage.

The movie Wolverine is a psychopathic killer barely holding himself in check. He was a volunteer for the process that made him what he is, remember, and somewhere back in his mind he's still like that. It's probably a testement to that fact that they want him as a somewhat sympathetic character that he's not killed more people than they show.

This was a war. People die in wars. They kill, or they get killed. You're dealing with a group of superpowerful mutants, most of whom you have no idea what their powers are, who are under orders to kill you. It's pretty obvious from his higher-ups that Magneto has recruited the lower dregs of mutant society to use as his army; porcupine guy, Callisto and others certainly aren't stopping at killing people. For a movie, you're going to see more bloodshed, because most of the movie-going public isn't going to sit still for the standard comics superhero trope of 'knock them out and take them to jail'.

 

[DonTadow]

A couple other people mentioned this, so I'll talk about it.

If you've watched them, other than in the first two movies, you've seen them in cartoons made for kids where you can't show any killing. In the comics, he's murdered probably hundreds of people. Mutants, ninjas, guards doing their job, whatever; especially when he goes into a berserker rage.

The movie Wolverine is a psychopathic killer barely holding himself in check. He was a volunteer for the process that made him what he is, remember, and somewhere back in his mind he's still like that. It's probably a testement to that fact that they want him as a somewhat sympathetic character that he's not killed more people than they show.

This was a war. People die in wars. They kill, or they get killed. You're dealing with a group of superpowerful mutants, most of whom you have no idea what their powers are, who are under orders to kill you. It's pretty obvious from his higher-ups that Magneto has recruited the lower dregs of mutant society to use as his army; porcupine guy, Callisto and others certainly aren't stopping at killing people. For a movie, you're going to see more bloodshed, because most of the movie-going public isn't going to sit still for the standard comics superhero trope of 'knock them out and take them to jail'.

First things first. This is the movie, and you have to go by the mythos you establish in the movie. That is why I am not touching the inconsistiacies with the comib book. Even in the comib, people are played out to be very...evil.. when killing is involved, or there is somethng detromential to be gained. NEither is shown in the movie. Again killing is a "last resort" not to be used on angry teenager rebellious tens. But this is the movie, and its already been shown that the xschool does not support killing from 1 and 2, so the blatant use of it was a big diversion from its own mythos. Now, you'd have a fighting chance at this argument if there was an army full of calistos, but mosto f the mutants killed didnt even have powers. Thats what really irked me. If you're a comic book reader, you know that the x-men will try to use other tactics to apprehend minor mutants and criminals. They wouldnt kill in the name of professor X.

Errr, this was a war? how so. What the heck were the yfighting about. I couldn't tell. I dont think the audience could either. Again lots of boom booms ...yay. Magneto had a reason, but the xmen's reason was pretty ...well unknown. I mean in the last movie they did the exact same thing from the other side.

And you're wrong, more families will probably enjoy this movie more (see the reviews at rotten tomatoes) if the lethality was toned down in lue of more good old fashion traditional x-men action. If you look at the best comic book movies of the decade, spidermans, batman begins, they apprehended their villians, thats what hte good guys do. Man, I wish this was DC because Alexander Luthor needs to merge this movie with a much more pleasant x-world.

 

[fanboy2000]

Errr, yeah, wow, yeah thats why I love comic books and media. To see them fly paper airplanes and change the weather.

To some extent, I do read and watch superhero comics and movies to see thouse things. If I had superpowers, I wouldn't just use them to help people, I'd use them in my everyday life.

I agree with you about the lack team work in this movie, though.

I watched it with my nephew and was seriously surprised that this movie wasn't rated R.

I'm not going to argue the rating, (I'm a poor judge of such things) but I will state this is one reason why ratings are useless in helping people guage what to see with small children in their care. As much work as it is, I don't think there is an adiquite subsitute for watching the movie without the kid first and then deciding to whether to take said child.

 

[Ankh-Morpork Guard]

Killing a surprise?

Did we not watch X2?! Wolverine tore through tons of military men in that movie just by himself...

 

[DonTadow]

Killing a surprise?

Did we not watch X2?! Wolverine tore through tons of military men in that movie just by himself...

Watched it and one this weekend. What you are referring to is the 'minion beatdown" where the men are knocked from side to side, not stabbed or killed. The only timie military were killed was by the brotherhood.