Just saw X-Men III (Now with spoilers!)

[BlueBlackRed]

The movie Magneto, though, is simply a racist. Clearly black-letter bad.

How very boring.

I totally agree.
Also, Professor X seemed very unlike the previous movies Professor X and the comics version.
He was darker, and not in a good way.

 

[DonTadow]

I really didn't like this movie. The lethality was REDICULOUS and really stepped on the peaceful mutant theme the last two movies set up. I"ve watched the X-men in different genres, i've never seen "good" x'men rack up a body count like that. (not phoenix, that made sense, i'm talking about wolverine slashing and killing what really was just some angry teens much like the ones at the mansion.

What were they thinking...

 

[DonTadow]

Yeah, I thought the same thing about the final fight: get Leech close to Phoenix and you're set, but then ran into that very puzzle, Mimic. And it's not like anyone who would help him get close could use their powers, either. And with the world's most powerful telepath being all omniscient and stuff, I don't see any way you could get the kid close.

(Ok, I did think of the possibility of using either Magneto's helmet or Juggernaut's, both of which block telepathy iirc, but still had no plan to get through the maelstrom.)

This is my thought, the movie lacked intelligence. It was like watching a bunch of idiots with super powers whom didn't know tactics nor work with each other. I kept thinking, man there are so many ways they could have solved this like they would in teh comic books without killing anyone or at least the minor villians. Puts the movie in the same categories as the first batman. This may work in Sincity and PUnisher but really ruins the flavor of "comic book violence".

 

[WayneLigon]

That said, I have the same problem with this movie that I did with the X2. In X2, I kept thinking, "there's a big thing of water comming at the plane, I know let's have the guy who's power is to freeze water stop it!" Logic lost out to mayrterism.

Yeah, because there is no difference at all between making a small ice wall or freezing up a small still pond and billions of tons of water moving at a hundred miles an hour or so.

 

[DonTadow]

We've got a lot of naysayers on the thread. To them I issue a challenge:

Name a better third installment sequel for a comic book franchise. You must be able to articulate why and you cannot brush it off with "anything is better than this movie" because that's a cop-out.

Lets see, the Superman third installment was good for what it was. Superman didn't go ape crap and start killing all the bad guys out of frustration.

Batman 3, atl east tried to keep the characters traditional to their comic book heritage. It's main flaw is that it over does it with a bad script.

I"m not sure there are any more trillogies of superhero movies. So putting it at the best is like saying you're the king of the ape crap mountain.

 

[DonTadow]

Yeah, because there is no difference at all between making a small ice wall or freezing up a small still pond and billions of tons of water moving at a hundred miles an hour or so.

errr aren't they superheroes. Can't they do anything.

 

[Firebeetle]

Lets see, the Superman third installment was good for what it was. Superman didn't go ape crap and start killing all the bad guys out of frustration.

Two words "Richard Pryor"

Batman 3, atl east tried to keep the characters traditional to their comic book heritage. It's main flaw is that it over does it with a bad script.

Wrong-o. I kept the characters to their TV show tradition. They should have called that "Batman Whatever"

I"m not sure there are any more trillogies of superhero movies. So putting it at the best is like saying you're the king of the ape crap mountain.

You just said the two prior movies where NOT ape crap but OK. So which is it? Seems like you're just putting a contrary argument out there. Take a stand, is X3 the king of ape crap mountain or where those two movies really OK after all?

 

[Firebeetle]

Record weekend!

X-Men 3 just blew the doors off the Memorial Day record, even up against DaVinci Code and Over the Hedge (which sold lots of tickets too BTW.)

$120 million. Wow. The movie going public definately felt this movie was worthwhile. At the theater we had people seeing it 2 and 3 times in a row. Here's the box office mojo report:

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=2078&p=.htm

So, if you didn't like it, that's too bad. I guarentee you this will be the new model for trilogy enders in the future. Maybe you'll learn to love it. I appreciated it deeply myself.

 

[DonTadow]

Two words "Richard Pryor"



Wrong-o. I kept the characters to their TV show tradition. They should have called that "Batman Whatever"



You just said the two prior movies where NOT ape crap but OK. So which is it? Seems like you're just putting a contrary argument out there. Take a stand, is X3 the king of ape crap mountain or where those two movies really OK after all?

I said both of them were ok for what they were. They were at least comic book movies. And please, Richard Pryor is HILLARIOUS. Made the movie for me (especially when you didn't see a lot of black comics in main stream movies at the time).

As for the RIddler and two face. It was very golden age super hero human, not television. Of course your collection has to expand past the 90s to get that.

Xmen is going to break records, but it is again another failed attempt at hollywood to make a comic book movie only for some idiot director to get it and turn it into his big explosion action fest. I mean, man, these were the dumbest X-men ever.

YOu can see Halle's big paycheck and screen time nawing away at it. I mean, did we really need to see a scene where she could show those oscar caliber tears... and don't get me started on how she couldn't take out oa b-level villian. She controls the freaken weather. it was just another escuse to get her some one on one screentime.

For a movie about an x-men teams, there was a lack of team work.

The bad thing was not even the diversions from the comic book (the only one of which i hated with that jaggaurents abilities were now mutant origin- but this was only done not to save time on inputing the plot-- which would have been ok- but was done so that they can show him running into a wall and knocking himself out like an idiot).

The bad thing was the lack of the superpowers being used for anything other than mindless violence. Blow up cars, kill people...yay. The bad thing is that it takes the stuff Xavier was pushing in the first two movies, and throws them out the door.

 

[fanboy2000]

Yeah, because there is no difference at all between making a small ice wall or freezing up a small still pond and billions of tons of water moving at a hundred miles an hour or so.

Oh, there's a big difference, but Iceman's been shown to freeze large amounts of water in the comics. If they de-powered him for the movie, (and X3 seems to suggest that they haven't) then I feel that some kind of limitation should have been mentioned or shown. As the movie stands now, the only reason I would think he can't stop it is because he didn't.

Also, a team effort of Bobby and Jean could have accomplished the same thing without anyone dying. What Bobby couldn't freeze, Jean could have telekinetically stopped, easing the load on both of them. It's a team movie, I want to see them operate as a team (i.e.the final scenes of X3) rather than just fighting the Brotherhood one-on-one.

For whatever it's worth, there are 6.02 x 10^23 molecules of water in 18 grams of water (~18 milliliters of water). So the still pond has billions and billions of water. The counter argument is that a dammed body of water has many, many more than that. I really don't have a counter to that, except what I said above.

Not to defend the movie or anything but how are they going to get the child close enough to her? Considering she A) knows about him and what he can do and B) Obliterating everything around her and the only reason Logan made it close to her was because of his healing powers?

Do you really want to risk the life of a innocent child in the vague hope that he gets close enough to affect her?

I saw the movie again today, and I'm starting to come-around to that way of thinking. I'm not there yet, but that's because I'm stubborn.