Just saw X-Men III (Now with spoilers!)

"Still, you have it backward. Buffy did the "homage" not this movie."

I believe he's talking about the make-up of Dark Phoenix. In the comics Dark Phenix just had a shadow over her face and white eyes, like she was lit up from inside. The veiny look could be a homage to the series that did a homage to the comics. Talk about cross-polinization! :)
 

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Klaus said:
"Still, you have it backward. Buffy did the "homage" not this movie."

I believe he's talking about the make-up of Dark Phoenix. In the comics Dark Phenix just had a shadow over her face and white eyes, like she was lit up from inside. The veiny look could be a homage to the series that did a homage to the comics. Talk about cross-polinization! :)

Yeah that's a possibility. I think Joss just nailed a good way to represent Phoenix on screen.

And when you consider that the "mutant cure" storyline comes from Joss' run on Astonishing X-men, you have a lot of ideas flying back and forth.

Chuck
 

Klaus said:
"Still, you have it backward. Buffy did the "homage" not this movie."

I believe he's talking about the make-up of Dark Phoenix. In the comics Dark Phenix just had a shadow over her face and white eyes, like she was lit up from inside. The veiny look could be a homage to the series that did a homage to the comics. Talk about cross-polinization! :)

Yeah, the makeup, and the special effects, and Dark Phoenix floating in the air with the surroundings exploding around her were just so reminiscent of the season 6 Buffy finale that I thought it was worth commenting on.

Of course, being a non-comic reader, I don't have more than a rank in knowledge(X-men lore)...
 

Vigilance said:
And when you consider that the "mutant cure" storyline comes from Joss' run on Astonishing X-men, you have a lot of ideas flying back and forth.
All respect to Joss Whedon, but he was hardly the first to give us that plotline.
 

I'll call it a slightly-above-average end to a slightly-above-average series, a movie that I think will probably not age all that well or be much thought about a few years from now, one that fails to reach the bar set by X2, much less Spider-man 2, which for my money has become the gold standard for superhero movies.

Pros: Lots of interesting heroes and villians portrayed in a pretty short span of time. The characterization for the minor characters was generally pretty good--brief, fairly one-dimensional, but nonetheless effective given the time/space limitations. Much of the action's pretty good. I've never liked Beast, really, but I thought Grammer did a pretty good job with him. Ian McKellen was, of course, superlative, and he carries much of this picture on his powerful shoulders. Wolverine's never been my favorite character, but it's nice to actually see him be a little more of the stalker, even for just a minute (and not all that effectively).

Cons: Quite a few, unfortunately.

-- The length. Longer doesn't always mean better, but at about 1:40, this movie can't possibly cover all the territory it sets out to. Of course we were never going to get the whole Phoenix/Dark Pheonix saga, and for the most part I don't mind the character revision, but what we get here was a squished-together Phoenix mini-saga plus the end of the main Magneto storyline. Either would've been enough for a film; together, they feel like mashed potatoes. I'm sure the 14-month development schedule can be blamed for some of this, as can the absence of Singer. (As an aside, why can't this series have a single naming convention--X-Men, X2, X-Men 3? Odd.)

-- Phoenix. This builds off of the first con. I've always liked Famke as Jean, and I thought she did a pretty good job in X2, but here, after the opening scene and her time at her home again, she's got nothing to do but stand around and glare. Sure, she gets kinda scary, but she's hardly the emotional weight for this story, which leads to ...

-- Xavier. What he gets to do in this movie, he does pretty well, although his I-don't-have-to-explain-myself-to-you-least-of-all bit is tiresome and wearily delivered. I don't know whether Stewart wanted out, but he seems at the exhaustion point here, and it's probably just as well that his role is minor.

-- Halle. Not a Halle-hater here, but if not as an actress at least as Storm she's got severe limitations. If you're the filmmaker and counting on her to carry the emotional weight of your movie, you're in trouble. She pretty much utterly fails to deliver; her speech at the school is utterly unconvincing, and her appeal to Wolverine to "be with them" is, well, I guess unsuccessful even for him, 'cause he goes and runs off. (I know he comes back, but ...)

-- Insufficient impact. Not surprisingly, I didn't find much emotional resonance here. What should've been a big moment at the end just feels flat to me.

This movie isn't the disaster that one might fairly have predicted from all the off-the-screen hijinks and the rushed development schedule. I can't help feeling like those of us who liked the series and the books deserved better.
 

GandhitheBFG said:
Magneto, after losing all his powers, got sad and went to play chess in the park with the other doddering old men. I personally thought he was going to kill himself, somehow (call me morbid.) The chess piece twitch goes some way to alleviate this irritation.

“Wiggle your big toe!”

The chess park scene is only to let the audience think, that Magneto is a broken man now. Hey, it makes sense for such a brilliant mind, playing chess, especially with the chess analogies before ('that's why you send in the pawns first'). It looks like... wow, look how deep he has fallen. Now he cannot have his mutant army for pawns, he has to rely on regular pawns. Then comes the surprise (which shouldn't really be one, though, once you realized, that with Leech's power being non-permanent, the 'cure' cannot really be permanent either)!

Mystique. They broke her! In the first two films, particularly the second, she was one of, if not my absolute favourite character(s). She got 'cured', and basically disappeared after pretending to sell out Magneto (unless I missed something; she just sent them to find Multiple-Man, right?)

No, Magneto figured she would betray them and set that up.

Also, Mystique will join the X-Men in X4 now, of course. :p

Bye
Thanee
 

So if the cure is not permanent, then Rogue can get her power back. If she gets her power back, then in the 4th movie, she will chase away Bobbie because he needs Human contact, but she'll find a new hubbie [Gambit!] and at some point in time be turned evil momentarily by Mystique and suck the powers of the Superhero lady [forgot her name] and become more like the Rogue she should be. Not sure how she'd gain the accent though...
 



Indeed, Ms. Marvel was the one drained by Rogue in the comics. I was thinking that after she got her white streak from Magneto, she'd have a bit of magnetic powers in the movies, like she did in Age of Apocalypse.

I never understood why the don't just bury the Phoenix hatchet in the comics and let Jean become Marvel Woman. I mean, it worked for Sue Storm/Richards, right?
 

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