Just saw X-Men III (Now with spoilers!)

[Black Omega]

After some thought, I think the problem is this.

Marsden never became a star. Halle Berry did. Cyclops should have been in the Storm role in 3. But Halle Berry was too big a name to push into the background. And Marsden was already on his way out, preferring to work on Superman. It's also possible there was some cool factor at work on the SFX side. Storm can do alot of cool visual stuff. Cyclops blasts things.

 

[Taelorn76]

Like good cop and bad cop, they both have the same agenda and are willing to turn a blind eye to each others' tactics.

Problem is they don't have the same agenda and if they turned a blind eye to each others tactics then the X-men would not be fighting the Brotherhood.

The profesor is trying to build a world where humans and Mutants live together. Magneto was humans, heck he was everyone humans as well as mutants around the world to bow down to him.

 

[Mistwell]

Saw it this weekend. I re-watched the first two before seeing this.

This movie was far and away the weakest of the three, and not nearly up to the standards set in the first two movies. I really wish Singer hand done this movie, since it was obvious to me the director messed it up.

I did overall find it enjoyable, as pure entertainment that I will rapidly forget. But this movie seriously lacked the depth of the other two movies.

Angel - served almost no purpose, was not developed as a character, yet was marketed in all posters and adds as if he was a big part of the film. Marketing just plain old lied.

Beast - Liked him, but he was just a cover for the absence of Nightcrawler, who I liked more and who was more thought out and developed in the prior movie.

Most new mutants on both sides - Just cover for additional special effects and fights to replace character development and plot.

Kitty Pride - Worth a LOT more time to develope, and was not.

Storm - this is a character with a meaninful past and interesting history and way of thinking about the world, and we will never see it because this movie completely blew those issues off. Hallie Berry said she is done with superhero movies for all time, and I believe her. Storm is now done, and we never even got to see the story unfold at all for her.

Cyclops - not even an interesting death.

Dark Phoenix - Apparently she should have been named Dumb Phoenix, since she became an idiot easily manipulated like a child once she transformed.

Rogue - Never gave her the powers she was supposed to get this movie, never really dealt with the struggle she faced and instead resolved it with a cheap cop-out that doesn't even make sense since she is back and school but no longer a mutant.

Wolverine - Getting his own movie so no need to spend all that time re-doing the same character development already done in prior movies just to take away development from other characters who badly needed it.

Seriously, I cannot understand how people think this movie was better than either of the prior ones, if they have watched the prior ones recently. There was just no comparison. It's an okay summer action flick, but relative to what came before it's a B-movie with a big budget.

 

[Vigilance]

Problem is they don't have the same agenda and if they turned a blind eye to each others tactics then the X-men would not be fighting the Brotherhood.

The profesor is trying to build a world where humans and Mutants live together. Magneto was humans, heck he was everyone humans as well as mutants around the world to bow down to him.

Uhhuh.

Which is why they hate each other so much, actively try to kill one another and don't visit each other between adventures to play chess.

Obviously they are NOT seriously trying to eliminate one another, they are just arguing over procedures. They are shown to be friends and confidants throughout all three movies and would obviously prefer to look the other way to what each other is doing.

Remember that in movie #1, Xavier runs into Magneto and has a clear chance to just enter his mind and find out what's going on. But he doesn't do that. They have a nice little chat.

In movies one and two they're shown playing chess and having casual conversations.

They are not enemies, they're friends, and clearly view the whole "building bridges between human and mutant" or "mutants should rule the Earth" as a political debate. Each thinks the other will someday see it his way so there's no need for them to kill one another.

Chuck

 

[Klaus]

True. And in 3, the actor left the project to work on Superman with Singer. So there was no way for Cyke to play a big role in the movie. I seem to recall Marsden had to complain before he was allowed to beat up the guards before getting taken out.

Edited for spelling.

Yeah, Marsden had to fight tooth and nail to get some non-optic-blast action in X2.

But he didn't "leave X-Men" to do "Superman". He was signed to do a third X-Men movie, and that movie was scheduled to begin shooting in September, IIRC. So when Singer invited him to the role of Richard White in Superman Returns, the scheduling all fit. But then Fox rushed X3 to get it out before Superman Returns. Even then, Marsden had time to shoot his part, and there would be enough time to use him in a more classic "Dark Phoenix Saga" ending (with Cyclops getting back all the dialogue he lost to Wolverine).

 

[RangerWickett]

I let myself enjoy the movie, though I felt it was weak. Still, it was better than Elektra, Fantastic Four, and Punisher.

 

[iwatt]

I let myself enjoy the movie, though I felt it was weak. Still, it was better than Elektra, Fantastic Four, and Punisher.

I kind of liked Punisher.

If I watched Honey for Jessica Alba, FF4 was a step up in entertainment value

Elektra was craptastic, I agree.

 

[Vocenoctum]

No, it was done to showcase Kitty's cleverness under pressure that she tricks him to going to the one place where his mutant power means nothing: inside Leech's nullification field.

See, in the movie they said something about Juggernaut needing momentum, so I expected that Kitty had immobilized him in the floor, but nope. Thinking about it, I'm pretty sure solidifing him in the floor should have simply killed him.

All three movies have had a problem with "super powers", it's one of the things I liked about F4 really. Rogue doesn't fly or have super strength for example. In fact, almost no one flies, and none of them were very maneuverable. Super Strength also lagged. Rogue can lift what, 20 tons? Collosus 100tons? All were hideously weak, comparatively speaking.

In X1, I thought the actors didn't have enough lines, they seemed too queit, only getting off catchphrases. (Sabertooth has what, 2 lines, both about Storm?)
X2 had a better balance, more lines and such.
X3 though, they had a lot more lines, but they all seemed to be delivered in a vaccuum. Very little chemistry, very little emotion.

My main problem with Cyclops death was that no one mentioned it. Phoenix returns to the mansion, time passes, Wolverine asks her when she wakes up. Prof X saw him die, but says nothing.

And really, to beat Phoenix, you just have Rogue steal the healing factor, charge her and give a good kiss!
Or, something like that...

Also, the movie XMen seem to ignore the rest of the world, so they removed the mysticism elements. Juggernaut doesn't have the bands (and, looked stupid), but Prof X's Astral Projection stuff would fit better with his New Body Taking.

 

[Vigilance]

All respect to Joss Whedon, but he was hardly the first to give us that plotline.

The Doc in charge being Kavita Rao (the character who developed the cure in Astonishing XMen) is sort of a big clue.

And this is the first time I saw a cure. We had Forge's Neutralizer before this, but never a cure that I knew of.

 

[warlord]

Wolverine never volunteered for the Weapon X project. In both continueties he had to be forcibly dragged to the Weapon X facility. You're thinking of Sabertooth he's the psycho you were talking about. Our good friend Logan on the other hand is just a brooding, angry warrior with a crappy love life. He also happens to be a berzerker whichs leads to the appearence of psychosis but is in fact not.