D&D General Keys from the Golden Vault look through.

[dave2008]

And is a different genre.

I'm not trying to yuck anyone's yum here, but heist adventures aren't just about the actual structure of the adventure, but the nature of what you're doing and why.

Ocean's 11 = heist

Mission: Impossible, although similar in structure != heist

Not IMO. I don't see a need to gatekeep the definition of a "heist" as you do. Heck, even the "Ocean" movies trailed away from making the heist simply about personal gain. There is no problem with running the type of heist you want (and many of the Adventures in Golden Vault can be run that way), but it also perfectly legitimate to run a different type of heist.

 

[dave2008]

In short, my position is: whatever we decide to do in the worldbuilding, provide the rationale and do it right.

Not all gold dragon's are lawful good: end of story. It is not that hard.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

You know this trope:

Lawful Good cop to PI: "It wouldn't be legal for me to show you those files. Now I'm just going out to get some coffee, I'm trusting you not to take a peak at the files I'm am leaving open on my desk."

 

[Paul Farquhar]

Not IMO. I don't see a need to gatekeep the definition of a "heist" as you do. Heck, even the "Ocean" movies trailed away from making the heist simply about personal gain. There is no problem with running the type of heist you want (and many of the Adventures in Golden Vault can be run that way), but it also perfectly legitimate to run a different type of heist.

Yeah, its an extremely common trope for the people carrying out a heist to be heroic. E.g. Tower Heist, Ant Man. And of course, the entire Mission Impossible TV series was a heist show.

 

[Reynard]

Not IMO. I don't see a need to gatekeep the definition of a "heist" as you do. Heck, even the "Ocean" movies trailed away from making the heist simply about personal gain. There is no problem with running the type of heist you want (and many of the Adventures in Golden Vault can be run that way), but it also perfectly legitimate to run a different type of heist.

I'm not sure that is an appropriate use of "gatekeep" but otherwise I agree. A "heist" is an activity and is not defined by its motivation.

 

[dave2008]

I'm not sure that is an appropriate use of "gatekeep" but otherwise I agree.

That could be - I think it is only the second time I've ever used it!

 

[Emoshin]

Not all gold dragon's are lawful good: end of story. It is not that hard.

What you quoted, was in context of a lawful good gold dragon. If the dragon is not lawful good, then it's a different story.

It's not that hard for you to read what people write and respond in context. End of story.

 

[Reynard]

What you quoted, was in context of a lawful good gold dragon. If the dragon is not lawful good, then it's a different story.

It's not that hard for you to read what people write and respond in context. End of story.

It's also not that hard to realize people interpret alignments differently, often in the context of the creature, time, culture or genre at play. Lawful Good in a heist is very different than Lawful Good in an Arthurian romance.

Or, we just dump the stupid idea entirely and let players and GMs play the characters, creatures and organizations based on their motivations and ideals, bonds and flaws.

 

[Emoshin]

It's also not that hard to realize people interpret alignments differently, often in the context of the creature, time, culture or genre at play. Lawful Good in a heist is very different than Lawful Good in an Arthurian romance.

If I say X, then I know what I meant. If someone quotes me, and says actually it's Y, it's not hard to see these subjective interpretations being articulated as arguments.

Or, we just dump the stupid idea entirely and let players and GMs play the characters, creatures and organizations based on their motivations and ideals, bonds and flaws.

People have tried -- and failed -- to dump alignment in D&D for years.

 

[FrozenNorth]

For the shadowy cabal behind the adventures, I really don’t need more than a writing prompt. It’s just going to be replaced by whatever shadowy cabal exists in my campaign anyway.