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Kitchen sink review of 3.5 PHB
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Zarrock God of Evil
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Great review and it told me exactly what I wanted to hear 
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Mark Chance
Boingy! Boingy!
Zarrock said:Great review and it told me exactly what I wanted to hear
Told me what I didn't want to hear:
"The amount of changes in the Revised Players Handbook (RPHB or PHB3.5?) is staggering."
and
"Unfortunately, it does make your current PHB utterly useless."
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The_Gneech
Explorer
Very cool! My favorite bit is that they took WotC to task for inadequate electronic support. You tell 'em, buddy!
But I must not mind too much, I already pre-ordered the silly books...
-The Gneech
But I must not mind too much, I already pre-ordered the silly books...
-The Gneech
drnuncheon
Explorer
There's enough factual errors in that review to make me wonder how familiar the reviewer was with 3.0, though.
"Not only does the bard class no longer get the shaft by having a sub-class (Illusionist) as a favorite," - OK, that's a thinko.
"In addition, Barbarians receive a few new abilities: Trap Sense (bonus to reflex saves versus traps), Indomitable Will (resist enchantment spells while raging), Tireless Rage (no longer fatigues after raging), and Might Rage (bonus to Strength and Constitution increase even more than the normal rage bonus)."
Of course, 'Trap Sense' is only a renamed portion of Uncanny Dodge, and Tireless Rage and Mighty Rage were both class features in 3.0.
"The Intuit Direction class skill was replaced with the more sensible Survival skill (which replaced the aforementioned skill entirely)."
...no mention of Wilderness Lore, though.
"Bards no longer receive alchemy or scry as class skills;"
Of course, if he'd read farther he'd find that they do in fact get Craft (alchemy), and Scry has vanished.
"Rogues have changed very little. They now have the new abilities Trap Finding and Trap Sense"
Trap finding is new?
"Knowledge (architecture and engineering), Knowledge (dungeoneering), Knowledge (geography), Knowledge (history), Knowledge (local), Knowledge (nobility and royalty), and Knowledge the Planes are all new to the core skill list."
Holy crow, I've had a 3.5 Player's Handbook since 2000! It must have been an early playtest copy, because it's missing Knowledge (dungeoneering), but all the rest of this "new" stuff seems to be in it...
J
"Not only does the bard class no longer get the shaft by having a sub-class (Illusionist) as a favorite," - OK, that's a thinko.
"In addition, Barbarians receive a few new abilities: Trap Sense (bonus to reflex saves versus traps), Indomitable Will (resist enchantment spells while raging), Tireless Rage (no longer fatigues after raging), and Might Rage (bonus to Strength and Constitution increase even more than the normal rage bonus)."
Of course, 'Trap Sense' is only a renamed portion of Uncanny Dodge, and Tireless Rage and Mighty Rage were both class features in 3.0.
"The Intuit Direction class skill was replaced with the more sensible Survival skill (which replaced the aforementioned skill entirely)."
...no mention of Wilderness Lore, though.
"Bards no longer receive alchemy or scry as class skills;"
Of course, if he'd read farther he'd find that they do in fact get Craft (alchemy), and Scry has vanished.
"Rogues have changed very little. They now have the new abilities Trap Finding and Trap Sense"
Trap finding is new?
"Knowledge (architecture and engineering), Knowledge (dungeoneering), Knowledge (geography), Knowledge (history), Knowledge (local), Knowledge (nobility and royalty), and Knowledge the Planes are all new to the core skill list."
Holy crow, I've had a 3.5 Player's Handbook since 2000! It must have been an early playtest copy, because it's missing Knowledge (dungeoneering), but all the rest of this "new" stuff seems to be in it...
J
heirodule
First Post
spell changes?
he says "The following spells have substantial changes to effects: Blade Barrier, Blindness/Deafness, Call Lightning, Endure Elements, Eyebite, Flame Arrow, Harm, Haste, Heal, Neutralize Poison, Otiluke's Freezing Sphere, Polymorph, Reduce Person, Righteous Might, Scrying, Great Scrying, and Wall of Force."
Anyone know about the changes to Endure Elements, Blindness/Deafness, Neutralize Poison, Reduce Person, or Wall of Force?
I hevan't heard mucha bout these changing, or can't think of how they need to change.
And what's with Bless Weapon becoming a necromancy spell?
he says "The following spells have substantial changes to effects: Blade Barrier, Blindness/Deafness, Call Lightning, Endure Elements, Eyebite, Flame Arrow, Harm, Haste, Heal, Neutralize Poison, Otiluke's Freezing Sphere, Polymorph, Reduce Person, Righteous Might, Scrying, Great Scrying, and Wall of Force."
Anyone know about the changes to Endure Elements, Blindness/Deafness, Neutralize Poison, Reduce Person, or Wall of Force?
I hevan't heard mucha bout these changing, or can't think of how they need to change.
And what's with Bless Weapon becoming a necromancy spell?
Destil
Explorer
Re: spell changes?
The hemisphere/sphere version of wall of force was removed. Would have been beter to just make it required that the caster centered it on themselves, though, since that removes one of the primary defensive uses of the spell (though it does clear up the whole lower level forcecage with no material component issue).heirodule said:
Olgar Shiverstone
Legend
Reduce Person is the new Reduce (which had to change since enlarge changed).
Bless weapon -- I'd guess you're channelling positive energy, maybe they're considering that a necromantic effect.
As to endure elements, blindness/deafness, and neutralize poison -- first I'd heard of changes to those. If I had to speculate, I'd guess the first one got a duration reduction, the second got clarified due to new concealment rules, and the third probably applies to a wider range of poisons or conditions. But that's just speculation.
Given the substantial number of other obvious errors in the review, I'm taking everything there with a grain of salt.
I suspect the reviewer's overstated some things a bit, too.
Bless weapon -- I'd guess you're channelling positive energy, maybe they're considering that a necromantic effect.
As to endure elements, blindness/deafness, and neutralize poison -- first I'd heard of changes to those. If I had to speculate, I'd guess the first one got a duration reduction, the second got clarified due to new concealment rules, and the third probably applies to a wider range of poisons or conditions. But that's just speculation.
Given the substantial number of other obvious errors in the review, I'm taking everything there with a grain of salt.
I suspect the reviewer's overstated some things a bit, too.
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