The Little Raven
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Mouseferatu said:
Again, correct. Having a gland that produces poison doesn't make your bloodstream capable of dealing with that same poison any better.
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Again, correct. Having a gland that produces poison doesn't make your bloodstream capable of dealing with that same poison any better.
The Little Raven
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Wormwood said:
He's got Immunity (Logic). The dragons as spellcasters thread has proven that.
Mourn said:
Thats strange. After all you are the one who says that water is the same like for example acid. (both harmful to humans in its pure form).
Is that logical?
We are not talking about using an element to transfer another force to the body (like a spear made out of ice or water with extreme pressure) but the element itself. And there is no way that water hurts a human (or at least what most persons understand under "hurt").
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Stormtalon
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Derren said:
However, it also makes much more sense to assume that, just like a venomous snake's mouth is adapted such that it doesn't envenom itself when it's biting something, a dragon's mouth would be adapted to having odd substances or energies coming out of it. That doesn't necessarily mean that the skin and flesh of the dragon has the same property.
In fact, since only the dragon's mouth is regularly subjected to its breath weapon, it makes sense that its skin and bones and muscles aren't as resilient.
The Little Raven
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Derren said:
Really? I said that? Can you quote me on it?
I'll wait.
The Little Raven
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Derren said:
Saying water is harmful to humans (which it can be) is saying it's the same as acid? Yeah, you just further reinforce my belief that logic is a foreign concept to you.
Water kills people everyday, despite 67% of the human body being composed of it, without use of force... it's called drowning.
Electric eels can be electrocuted to death, despite being able to produce a biological electric shock capable of fatally harming an adult human. So, they can safely handle up to 650 volts of electricity being channeled through special organs, but aren't immune to the effects of electricity from other sources.
Bombadier beetles produce a caustic substance that reaches boiling temperatures, capable of killing other insects instant, safely excreted from a particular part of their body. Yet, when two bombadier beetles meet, they are fully capable of killing eachother with it.
Poisonous snakes are capable of injecting deadly venom into their prey, as well as some kinds being able to spit a more caustic venom at range, without harming themselves. Yet, if they get bit or spat upon by another snake, they are fully affected by it.
But somehow dragons, as magical creatures, can't breath fire or generate electricity unless they are 100% immune to it? Ummm... no.
Since when makes being immune to fire something immune to drown in lava? Actually thats the exact example which was given to show that lava can still harm fire immune creatures.
Your logic is simply faulty. People drown in water but that doesn't mean that the water does kill them. The lack of air is which does.
You call it semantics but that is a important difference. Exchange the water with any other liquid and you have the same result. Drowning is not more lethal when the substance you drown in is water.
Poison is not a good example as its not really an "element". Likewise the Bombadier beetles use chemicals and not actual fire. They also don't spit this out of their mouths.
Only the electric eel example fits into this discussion (as much as a real world discussion can fit into a D&D one). Now the question is can electric eels shock each other? How much electricity is needed to electrocute one?
Your logic is simply faulty. People drown in water but that doesn't mean that the water does kill them. The lack of air is which does.
You call it semantics but that is a important difference. Exchange the water with any other liquid and you have the same result. Drowning is not more lethal when the substance you drown in is water.
Poison is not a good example as its not really an "element". Likewise the Bombadier beetles use chemicals and not actual fire. They also don't spit this out of their mouths.
Only the electric eel example fits into this discussion (as much as a real world discussion can fit into a D&D one). Now the question is can electric eels shock each other? How much electricity is needed to electrocute one?
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FourthBear
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I'd imagine there are a large numbers of way to explain a fire breathing dragon not being immune to fire:
1) The surfaces that are exposed to fire when it breathes are far more resistant than its other surfaces. In other words, it's throat and mouth may be highly resistant to flame, but the rest of it's body is less so.
2) Brief fire resistance. Perhaps in combination in the above, the dragon not only produces flame magically at the time of breathing, it also increases its fire resistance reflexively only at the time of breathing.
3) The way a dragon produces its breath weapon ensures minimal contact with the dragon's body. It creates a kernal of elemental energy that does not touch the surfaces in its mouth or throat, but explodes outward, all under control.
4) The dragon is attuned closely to its own flames in a way that is not replicated by ordinary or other magical flames. It is more resistant to its own breath weapon than that of another dragon.
5) The dragon has surfaces in its throat and mouth that flip outward when uses its breath weapon. These remain flipped until the breath is finished. They are not always flipped outward because they would interfere with speech, swallowing and eating and such.
Actually, you could also list the hydrochloric acid in the human stomach as an example of a material that is harmful to humans in one context, but quite harmless and necessary to survival in the correct one.
1) The surfaces that are exposed to fire when it breathes are far more resistant than its other surfaces. In other words, it's throat and mouth may be highly resistant to flame, but the rest of it's body is less so.
2) Brief fire resistance. Perhaps in combination in the above, the dragon not only produces flame magically at the time of breathing, it also increases its fire resistance reflexively only at the time of breathing.
3) The way a dragon produces its breath weapon ensures minimal contact with the dragon's body. It creates a kernal of elemental energy that does not touch the surfaces in its mouth or throat, but explodes outward, all under control.
4) The dragon is attuned closely to its own flames in a way that is not replicated by ordinary or other magical flames. It is more resistant to its own breath weapon than that of another dragon.
5) The dragon has surfaces in its throat and mouth that flip outward when uses its breath weapon. These remain flipped until the breath is finished. They are not always flipped outward because they would interfere with speech, swallowing and eating and such.
Actually, you could also list the hydrochloric acid in the human stomach as an example of a material that is harmful to humans in one context, but quite harmless and necessary to survival in the correct one.
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