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Let's Take Another Look At That One Ring 2E Cover

Last week the cover of the upcoming The One Ring 2E was revealed by Cubicle 7. But that's only half the picture. Cubicle 7 has released the full art piece by Johan Grenier!


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While Gandalf was clearly one of the characters depicted, many people wondered who the others were. According to Cubicle 7 "The cover scene is titled “The Coming of Boldog” and depicts Gandalf along with our iconic party — a Hobbit of the Shire, a Beorning, a Dwarf of the Lonely Mountain, an Elf of Mirkwood, a Rider of Rohan, and a Man of Minas Tirith — fleeing from a horde of orcs and a terrifying cave troll. “The Coming of Boldog” will be a free adventure that will be released alongside the core rules so that you and your Company can begin your adventures straight away."
 
Russ Morrissey

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Elfcrusher

Explorer
It's not Moria. It's a group of adventurers (as all players of the game will be) "fleeing from a horde of orcs and a terrifying cave troll" (as many will). Plus Gandalf. The details of which will apparently be in the adventure “The Coming of Boldog”.
Perhaps he saw "Boldog" and read "Balrog".
 

Gehrigan

Villager
I mean, Tolkien's views on people other than him writing stories set in Middle Earth suggest that if you want to be true to Tolkien and his world you shouldn't really be playing anything set in Middle Earth anyway. And if you're willing to violate that rule he had for his world and his works then having dwarf women who say "nope - I'm outta here" to the life that Tolkien outlined that they lead in a few throwaway lines in his work is IMO a much smaller stretch.

(The idea that there aren't exceptions to the rule is already laughable to me anyway given Middle Earth. The entire premise of The Hobbit falls apart if Bilbo isn't a hobbit who acts in a way contrary to the way hobbits are "supposed" to act - without that there's no story. The idea that there might also be dwarf women who aren't acting the way the way dwarf women are "supposed" to act is in that same heritage of stories.)
Hear Hear!
 

Connorsrpg

Adventurer
Just want to say, what an amazing and dynamic piece of art. I love the setting, the action, everything. Kudos. Not even entering into the ridiculousness that has really started plaguing the boards here of late :(
 
Weird drawing.

Why is the Hobbit and female dwarf holding drawn weapons and standing ready to fight while facing AWAY from all the baddies. Don't say they are fleeing, those are battle stances not run for your life stances.

As for the female dwarf. Get it right and put a beard on her. Though do we have a source other than Aragorn making a joke that female dwarves have beards?
 

Arilyn

Explorer
Weird drawing.

Why is the Hobbit and female dwarf holding drawn weapons and standing ready to fight while facing AWAY from all the baddies. Don't say they are fleeing, those are battle stances not run for your life stances.

As for the female dwarf. Get it right and put a beard on her. Though do we have a source other than Aragorn making a joke that female dwarves have beards?
I'm sensing that there are even more enemies we're not seeing. I have no problem with beardless female dwarves.
 

Zander

Villager
Just to be clear: having a female dwarf is fine with me. Having a female Beorning adventurer is fine with me.
Me too, but if a player wanted to run a female character and the GM was being true to the milieu as written of The LotR and The Hobbit, that character would be a very unusual sight indeed especially if she were a warrior.

Tolkien himself had a female shield-maiden killing the Witch King.
Tolkien himself had a female shield-maiden and a male hobbit killing the Witch King. He was making a philological point about the word 'man', not a political one. The Witch King failed to grasp the semantics of Glorfindel's prophecy, leading to his complacency and ultimately his destruction.
 

Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
Me too, but if a player wanted to run a female character and the GM was being true to the milieu as written of The LotR and The Hobbit, that character would be a very unusual sight indeed especially if she were a warrior.
All player characters are unusual sights by definition. You don’t play the normal people who stay at home.
 

aramis erak

Explorer
A female dwarf adventurer in Tolkien’s universe? No thank you. Too much against canon for me.
Same. And it appears Francesco Napolitano is fine with it.

C7's taken a turn for the worse IMO.
WFRP 4 was uninspiring.
They picked up the dog that was Wrath and Glory.
They've decided to D&D-ize the art.
They've decided to ignore the setting as written on Middle Earth, on one of the most poignant distinctions in the setting: Dwarven Women.

Feels to me that Jon's departure is Jon fleeing a ship taking on water...
 

Necrothesp

Villager
Not only that, but a female dwarf in Middle Earth is often mistaken for a male, since all dwarves have beards.
Tolkien never actually wrote this. Gimli says they are similar to male dwarves. He never says they have beards. That was Gary Gygax (who wrote that many have beards) and Aragorn in the films.
 

Arilyn

Explorer
Player characters aren't canon, by definition. That's how RPGs work. Your character in a Star Trek RPG isn't canon, either.
Exactly.

Role playing games based on other properties, such as Lord of the Rings, Conan or Star Wars always expand the original setting. We are letting players loose on these worlds, after all. I mean just look what's been done to the Cthuluhu mythos! To do otherwise would be far too constraining. And does it matter that much? We're not making movies, the stories told are rarely going beyond our tables.
 

ilsundal

Villager
Tolkien never actually wrote this. Gimli says they are similar to male dwarves. He never says they have beards. That was Gary Gygax (who wrote that many have beards) and Aragorn in the films.
Mmm... Actually Tolkien kind of did (strongly) imply that all dwarves, including dwarf woman, have a beard. Check here.

In my view, Cubicle7 is making a mistake showing a female dwarf without a beard on their front over. I mean... why do they do it? What's the point? If the point is to show that anything is possible in Tolkien's world (in their RPG), then, sure, fine, we get it. Can I also play a good-natured ring-wraith then? A balrog in a bikini? Of course, some people might like such silliness, and many settings encourage such, and some GMs love such in their own games set in Middle-Earth, but to most people, me included, Tolkien's world isn't like that. Its highly consistent. That's one of the things I love about it.

Oh, and I think we can all safely agree that PCs (and DM creations) are not canon, but that's not the point here. The point is that a good front cover image of any setting should be (very) representative of that setting. For Tolkien's middle-earth, a dwarf woman without a beard isn't.

Anyway...
 
They have also revealed the 8th of the 11 playable cultures, the long-requested Rangers of the North, and this iconic is male. I think if they had made the Ranger female, there would have been an even bigger fuss than the "visibly female" dwarf has caused. The Ranger is the one class/culture from Middle-Earth that I just cannot think of any way to legitimately be female and still be at least close to lore/canon. And that is not me being anti anything, I just cannot think of a way a female character could be a Ranger with the capital R.
 

Necrothesp

Villager
They have also revealed the 8th of the 11 playable cultures, the long-requested Rangers of the North, and this iconic is male. I think if they had made the Ranger female, there would have been an even bigger fuss than the "visibly female" dwarf has caused. The Ranger is the one class/culture from Middle-Earth that I just cannot think of any way to legitimately be female and still be at least close to lore/canon. And that is not me being anti anything, I just cannot think of a way a female character could be a Ranger with the capital R.
Not sure I see why. Only two Rangers are named in the LotR: Aragorn and Halbarad. They're both male, of course. But does it say anywhere that all Rangers are male? But let's face it, even if it did, Tolkien was writing at a time when women weren't expected to fill 'warrior' roles. Éowyn was clearly supposed to be highly unusual, and was of course forbidden to ride to war anyway, even though she was trained for it. I think we have to take Tolkien's own times into account when we consider whether things are 'canon', otherwise we're in danger of ruling out female adventurers pretty much entirely.
 

Necrothesp

Villager
Mmm... Actually Tolkien kind of did (strongly) imply that all dwarves, including dwarf woman, have a beard. Check here.
I stand corrected. I was only going by the published works, not by the collected musings. It's always struck me as immensely silly that female dwarves have beards. It's even more silly that all dwarves have beards from the day they're born! But if that's what he wrote...
 

MartyW

Registered User
A female dwarf adventurer in Tolkien’s universe? No thank you. Too much against canon for me.
Seriously? What canon would that be against? Show me some quotes where it says women Dwarfs don't fight.

Yes, the Hobbit had no female dwarfs in the company, but there is no mention of the make-up of Dain's forces. The Fellowship only had the one Dwarf.

So, your sample size is... two novels?

ilsundal said:
In my view, Cubicle7 is making a mistake showing a female dwarf without a beard on their front over.
Who TF cares? Clearly, you were never intending to buy this book or you wouldn't be trolling about the stupid f-ing Dwarf beards. This is exactly why women say gamers have a problem with misogyny. :rolleyes:
 
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