D&D 3E/3.5 Level Adjustment Debate Thread for CC 3.5 Overhaul Project

[Leopold]

even though this thing has a crappy INT score, why the hell not do it. Here goes:


Large Construct
HD: 11d10 (60 hp)
Init: +2 (Dex)
Speed: 30 ft
AC: 21 (-1 size, +2 Dex, +10 natural)
Attacks: Slam +15 melee
Damage: Slam 2d8+10 plus shock
Face/Reach: 5 ft by 5 ft/10 ft
Special Attacks: Chain lightning, shock touch
Special Qualities: Construct, magic and psionic immunity, damage reduction 15/+2
Saves: Fort +3 Ref +5 Will +4
Abilities: Str 24 Dex 14 Con --- Int 3 Wis 12 Chr 3
Skills:
Feats:


Construct traits:+2
Natrual armor:+2
Reach:+1
SA:+1
DR:+1
Magic and psionic Immunity:+2
Scores:+1

Tota LA:+10
Total ECL:+21

Now an LA of +10 is a tad too high. the offset scores really stink IMHO so I say discount that. It's natural armor is decent but over the course of 20+ levels a fighter will have much better AC than that, knock it down by 1. Reach is useful so is the DR and Magic and Psionic immunities. It's shock touch and chain lightning are still prevalent at the higher levels? It's cast by a 12th level sorcerer tho and this things LA is in that range anyway. Perhaps reduce it to 0?

Inquiring to the at will abilities on the other thread.

EST LA after comments:+8 ECL 19

 

[Krishnath]

Actually, I think a LA +9 (total ECL 20) is about right when you consider what a melee monster it will be, it's immune to magic and psionics for starters, allowing it to ignore spellcasters, and the DR will make it close to immune to most forms of damage as well. The DR will be against adamantine, not magic, which will make it equal to most other golems.

Agree/Disagree?

 

[Leopold]

Actually, I think a LA +9 (total ECL 20) is about right when you consider what a melee monster it will be, it's immune to magic and psionics for starters, allowing it to ignore spellcasters, and the DR will make it close to immune to most forms of damage as well. The DR will be against adamantine, not magic, which will make it equal to most other golems.

Agree/Disagree?

sounds fair to me, post it to BOZ

 

[BOZ]

by the way, if anyone has an LA issue with any monsters that i have posted to the CC, or am still working on, this would be an ideal place to make your case. i know leo posted a few here and there that i didn't catch...

 

[Leopold]

Here ya go boz, did a few and thought you'd want to add them:

All are based like this: <Creature Name>: <Level Adjustment>

Rapper:3
Feral:2
Hyena:2
Ironman:4
Bulezau:7
Tyrg:2
dyll:1
Molydeus:12
Hetfish:0
Duldeep:1
Gacholoth:5

 

[BOZ]

Thanks Leo. here is a complete rundown of all the 3.5 monster LA’s as we have them on the site right now, not counting what you just posted. Evaluate them and lend your expertise.

I did not include epic-level beings, or anything where an LA would push the ECL over 20. “Not rated” means that while it is intelligent enough to get an LA, we did not yet give it one.

Alcor - +1
Amitok - +1
Astral Energy Monster - +6
Astral Searcher – non-playable
Ba’atun - +4 (all types)
Beholder, Elder Orb - +11 (although that would give it an ECL of 28)
Berbalang - +4
Bichir – non-playable due to Int of 2 (could possibly be rated as cohort?)
Caiveh - +1
Chac - +3
Colchiln - +4
Crystalmist – non-playable
Demon, Bulezau - +9
Dharculus - +10
Dinosaurs – non-playable due to low Int (could possibly be rated as cohort)
Dusanu – not rated
Dyll – non-playable
Eladrin, Noviere - +5
Eladrin, Shiere - +10
Feral Slasher – not rated, probably non-playable due to Int (could possibly be rated as cohort)
Feystag - +3
Fungus Hulk – not rated
Ghuuna - +4
Golden Ammonite – not rated
Golem, Lightning - +9
Gorynych – not rated
Hamadryad - +3
Hetfish – non-playable
Hyaenodon – non-playable (could possibly be rated as cohort)
Ingundi - +3
Inquisitor – not rated
Iron Man – non-playable, non-intelligent
Jagre - +5
Kenku, regular & clan elder - +4
Kenku, clan guard & clan leader - +5
Krolli - +5
Living Web – non-playable, non-intelligent
Lock Lurker - +4
Maedar - +4
Memory Web – not rated
Nic’Epona - +4
Nogra – not rated
Otyugh, Neo – not rated
Rakasta - +3
Rapper – not rated
Rilmani, Abiorach - +7
Rilmani, Argenach - +5
Rilmani, Plumach - +6
Scaladar – non-playable, non-intelligent
Skuz – not rated
Smilodon – non-playable (could possibly be rated as cohort)
Tyrg – not rated
Uldra - +0
Ulitharid - +7
Utukku – not rated
Visage – not rated
Vitriolus – non-playable, non-intelligent
Vulturehound - +2 (cohort)
Wild Hunt, Hound – not rated (could possibly be rated as cohort)
Wolf, Mist - +4 (cohort)
Tyrg – not rated (could possibly be rated as cohort)
Uldra - +0
Ulitharid - +7
Utukku – not rated
Visage – not rated
Vitriolus – non-playable, non-intelligent
Vulturehound - +2 (cohort)
Wild Hunt, Hound – not rated (could possibly be rated as cohort)
Wolf, Mist - +4 (cohort)
Yugoloth, Baernaloth – not rated
Yugoloth, Gacholoth – not rated

 

[Leopold]

I'll run through all those and see what I come up with. I haven't followed many of the latest creatures so my opinions might vary. I wish everyone would come in here to discuss LA and ECL instead of the threads but that's not my call

 

[BOZ]

Leo, you disappeared for awhile!

Still, I can try to get people to post LA thoughts in this thread from now on…

 

[Krishnath]

Very well, we will.

 

[Leopold]

Leo, you disappeared for awhile!

Still, I can try to get people to post LA thoughts in this thread from now on…

Yes I disapeared..getting banned does that to people!