D&D 3E/3.5 Level Adjustment Debate Thread for CC 3.5 Overhaul Project

[Leopold]

Well, as it is basically an advanced beholder of great age, and not a different species, I would handle it as the MM beholder, I.e. open or close the eye as a free action.

If this is the case then we really need to change the description of it's ability then as it doesn't get this in the main description and this makes a big difference as you say in the LA.




Yes but it is only a 10% chance that it is that eye, concidering that a young beholder has ten eye stalks, and if I was playing a Elder Orb, I would get rid of practically anything else before I would lose disintegrate. So it should still factore in at a +2 or +3 at least.

but it loses 30% of the eyes correct? It has a choice or is it random? How can this be decided, if it's random I say leave the LA at +1, if it's static then +2.



No but it is still quite a bit above when you compare it to the average stats of say a 30th level character, not factoring in wishes and items, which an Elder Orb PC would have access to as well.

I would still give it a +1 comparitively speaking to a 30th level wizard with headband of intellect, books, rods, items, etc.


If the armor was made from the proper materials it would not matter, and besides, it is quite easy to retool bracers of armor into an item an elder orb could use.

this is true, but is this armor standard? it can wear amulets, headbands, and cloaks? would be expensive but it can be boosted and used. but is this standard equipment or is this from another book?


Yes, but a 30th level wiz would be deader than a doornail.

if it had antimagic eye up the wizard is toast, no questions asked.

How bout we settle on a +11 then?

 

[Leopold]

Well, as it is basically an advanced beholder of great age, and not a different species, I would handle it as the MM beholder, I.e. open or close the eye as a free action.

If this is the case then we really need to change the description of it's ability then as it doesn't get this in the main description and this makes a big difference as you say in the LA.




Yes but it is only a 10% chance that it is that eye, concidering that a young beholder has ten eye stalks, and if I was playing a Elder Orb, I would get rid of practically anything else before I would lose disintegrate. So it should still factore in at a +2 or +3 at least.

but it loses 30% of the eyes correct? It has a choice or is it random? How can this be decided, if it's random I say leave the LA at +1, if it's static then +2.



No but it is still quite a bit above when you compare it to the average stats of say a 30th level character, not factoring in wishes and items, which an Elder Orb PC would have access to as well.

I would still give it a +1 comparitively speaking to a 30th level wizard with headband of intellect, books, rods, items, etc.


If the armor was made from the proper materials it would not matter, and besides, it is quite easy to retool bracers of armor into an item an elder orb could use.

this is true, but is this armor standard? it can wear amulets, headbands, and cloaks? would be expensive but it can be boosted and used. but is this standard equipment or is this from another book?


Yes, but a 30th level wiz would be deader than a doornail.

if it had antimagic eye up the wizard is toast, no questions asked.

How bout we settle on a +11 then?

 

[BOZ]

spammer!

 

[BOZ]

ok, not that it doesn't apply to the main thread, but this little discussion is taking up a lot of precious space - so i split it from the thread. heh, seriously... i'll let you guys hammer this out here, and get back to me in the main thread when/if you reach a conclusion.

 

[Leopold]

will do boz...sorry bout the spam

 

[Krishnath]

Personally I would go with LA +12 to be on the safe side, but LA +11 is a good compromise.

 

[Leopold]

LA for AEM

IN boz's thread it appears the critter is done, onto the LA debate:

Modifiers:

Flight (Perfect): +2
Incorporeal:+2
Energy Substitution:+1
Immunity to fire:+1
Stats:+1
HD 3d8:+3

Possible LA: 7 ECL:10

Now I feel that the immunity to fire doesn't grant a +1 at that level and that stats although good aren't fantastic for a +1. Energy sub is concurrent throughout it's life, flight is used all the time and incoporeal is a big "+". I say drop the LA to +5 and ECL of +8.

thoughts?

 

[Krishnath]

Better make it LA +6 for good measure.

 

[Leopold]

Better make it LA +6 for good measure.

why the extra +1?

 

[Krishnath]

why the extra +1?

Energy Substitution and Immunity to fire, aren't really good enough on their own to warrant a +1 each, but together they should be worth a +1. This is my opinion, what do you think?