Limited Wish, Wish and saves/attacks

[shilsen]

One of the options with the Limited Wish spell is to make a single creature automatically hit on its next attack or take a -7 penalty on its next save. This option is not listed as allowing a save.

Wish, on the other hand, has a "Undo misfortune" option, which forces a reroll of any roll made within the last round. This option allows a save (and SR).

While the Wish option is more versatile, it seems to me that the Limited Wish option is more powerful because it doesn't allow a save. Do you agree? Also, what do you think would be an appropriate use of the Wish spell for a similar end? Maybe a -10 to the next save or an automatic critical threat? Both with no save, just like the Limited Wish option?

Thanks, in advance.

 

[Bryon_Soulweaver]

Wish can do what Limited Wish can do plus more. It should be in 3.0 DMG I think.

 

[shilsen]

Wish can do what Limited Wish can do plus more. It should be in 3.0 DMG I think.

So what would you consider an appropriate effect when using Wish to replicate this one? The same or a higher negative/bonus?

 

[Infiniti2000]

Wish could duplicate the results of limited wish, but not in so doing improve upon it. For example, wish can duplicate a resurrection, but not improve upon it. This is a little confusing, but that does not necessarily mean you cannot create a new effect for wish, just don't say you are duplicating the limited wish. If you run wish per the RAW, then you have those limited options listed.

 

[Chorn]

It should be noted that wish can change something that happened after the fact while limited wish needs to be used before the roll. Would you rather have a bonus on your next save or the option of rerolling after you've seen the result?

Using a wish to apply a penalty to a creature's save should probably work the same only at a -9 penalty instead seeing as how limited wish is a 7th level spell. Should the DM disallow using wish in this manner, you could always just use it to duplicate a 7th level spell to cast limited wish and get the -7 penalty.

 

[shilsen]

Using a wish to apply a penalty to a creature's save should probably work the same only at a -9 penalty instead seeing as how limited wish is a 7th level spell. Should the DM disallow using wish in this manner, you could always just use it to duplicate a 7th level spell to cast limited wish and get the -7 penalty.

I like the way you think