D&D 4E List of Potential New Martial Practices

[Garthanos]

The difference between my idea and this ritual is .. healing surge cost and I didnt have it as 1 hour. And based on Diplomacy instead of healing.

 

[Tony Vargas]

A solution that might make Tony and HERO players happier, might be to make the Martial practices inferior teleports atleast 5 levels lower than their nearest analog and the martial practices superior heroic manipulations 5 levels higher than a nearest analog.

My concern is just that the level & cost of the ritual be appropriate to the effect...

 

[Garthanos]

My concern is just that the level & cost of the ritual be appropriate to the effect...

Well the value of healing surges is nebulous starting a day down 1 is probably not so wonderful even if you get to start the day earlier.

I was considering a level 12 effect but we know now that we have a ritual which is virtually identical at level 16... (this corresponds with your thinking that taking much less time should have a cost)
and also corresponds fairly closely with my 5 levels thought.

I am thinking I need to make sure that a transcendental meditation of 1 hour is possible while still costing at level 16. Trance has a cost per person though so in that regards it's rather expensive as martial practices goes but you can be awake and guarding allies so it still has benefits if you are the only one with trance. Inspired Recuperation (the new idea) if it doesn't restore all the subjects healing surges is also costed like trance, but is more party friendly.

I think including lower level effects that lead up to the level 16 full rest effect like you mentioned is a very useful idea.

 

[AbdulAlhazred]

Well the value of healing surges is nebulous starting a day down 1 is probably not so wonderful even if you get to start the day earlier.

I was considering a level 12 effect but we know now that we have a ritual which is virtually identical at level 16... (this corresponds with your thinking that taking much less time should have a cost)
and also corresponds fairly closely with my 5 levels thought.

I am thinking I need to make sure that a transcendental meditation of 1 hour is possible while still costing at level 16. Trance has a cost per person though so in that regards it's rather expensive as martial practices goes but you can be awake and guarding allies so it still has benefits if you are the only one with trance. Inspired Recuperation (the new idea) if it doesn't restore all the subjects healing surges is also costed like trance, but is more party friendly.

I think including lower level effects that lead up to the level 16 full rest effect like you mentioned is a very useful idea.

I would think of it as kind of more like a super potent short rest, in terms of resource management. You're going to pull this out when you're down to the dregs and there's still one or more encounters required to bag the BBEG. Can't afford the time for the actual rest. Would be NICE not to be down a surge, but down 1 is a lot better than down 5! The cost is steep, pretty much identical to Raise Dead, but well worth it in that climactic pinch.

Given the price I'd expect you'll use it 1-3 times in a campaign, but that's kinda par for most rituals/practices anyway, so I think it works.

 

[Garthanos]

but well worth it in that climactic pinch.

Given the price I'd expect you'll use it 1-3 times in a campaign, but that's kinda par for most rituals/practices anyway, so I think it works.

That I think is the target... how often it is useful also seems dependent on the DM and players but that is pretty normal of rituals/practices.

 

[Tony Vargas]

So, a while back the epic-level wizard in my game went on a mad spending spree and bought a bunch of rituals. Last night he went to use one, 'Thorough Search' and I'm like, waitaminit, that doesn't sound like a ritual, that's a martial practice. He'd gotten a couple by mistake, and would've made good use of that one. But, nope, not a martial practitioner. Amusing.

 

[Garthanos]

So, a while back the epic-level wizard in my game went on a mad spending spree and bought a bunch of rituals. Last night he went to use one, 'Thorough Search' and I'm like, waitaminit, that doesn't sound like a ritual, that's a martial practice. He'd gotten a couple by mistake, and would've made good use of that one. But, nope, not a martial practitioner. Amusing.

Some of this set of Martial Practices have things not currently done in a ritual so there is that

 

[AbdulAlhazred]

Some of this set of Martial Practices have things not currently done in a ritual so there is that

Yeah, I'm still having trouble seeing a dividing line really. I mean, there are things that seem more 'practice' than 'ritual', but you can lampshade ANYTHING as 'magic'. Likewise if you accept a bit of a fuzzy definition, as I would say you do, then there's not a vast amount of stuff that couldn't be a practice (though I think practice is a bit smaller in scope than ritual just because of the 'magic does everything' problem, but that always exists). I'm still looking for a better way to partition that in HoML, I'm just not satisfied with the way it is parsed up in 4e anymore. Especially when I've come to believe that this class of resource should really follow more of a 'pay to change the plot/narrative/setting in a specific way that plausibly fits the ritual' vs 'make a check for a specific degree of an effect after paying XYZ'. Its a hard question though!

 

[Garthanos]

Yeah, I'm still having trouble seeing a dividing line really. I mean, there are things that seem more 'practice' than 'ritual', but you can lampshade ANYTHING as 'magic'. Likewise if you accept a bit of a fuzzy definition, as I would say you do, then there's not a vast amount of stuff that couldn't be a practice (though I think practice is a bit smaller in scope than ritual just because of the 'magic does everything' problem, but that always exists).

I didnt say couldn't be done in a ritual just arent , AND I am not yet giving in to wide spread use of Tony's schrodingers preparedness effect. LOL.

I think the Batman technique used in limited fashion is interesting ... but used pervasively could be tacky

 

[Garthanos]

There is another set of practices that might found... a number of the rituals particularly those with a ranger flavor to them many of those should have been practices in the first place.

I nominate "Pass without a trace" as bloody obvious example.