Living 4th Edition Discussion Thread

[Halford]

elecgraystone you just gave me a horrible thought, did they get rid of my favorite 3.5 spell modify memory? Egads, I've got to check that.

[sblock=Halford waffles about one of his favorite DMing experiences]My favorite moment of gameing occurred when one of my players met the woman he was destined to marry for the first time - they all got to ask a single question of an Ice Weird at first level and his was who will I marry.

The name he got was Sorriel Larkstongue, who they later discovered was an extremely famous bard. My player was dieing to meet her for nearly six months, lol.

They finally met in a bar while she was disguised as her own assistant and began to talk, he blurted out that he was destined to marry "her boss". When he said this she fell off her stool and quickly excused herslf, becoming suspicious he followed her into a nearby ally.

She removed her disguise and was revealed in all her 24 charisma glory. She tells him off for thinking that she is doomed to marry him, but in a sort of the lady doth protest too much way. He tells her of their quest - trying to save the Kingdom from a Machiavellian villain who they have not identified who is attempting to discredit the King and who is responsible for my players families deaths. Sorriel reveals that she works for the villain and that he is none other than the master of the player, who is a Kensai. She tells him, I must go, kisses him and then hits him with a modify memory. Thats when he figured out why I had been timing events with a stop watch...

He chased me around with a fork afterwards, good times, good times.[/sblock]

 

[Graf]

I confess to being uncomfortable with the idea that judges can individually (or even collectively) decide which sorts of characters are acceptable for a setting like this.

There are three areas I would look at:
1) does a concept grant some sort of extra mechanical advantage?
2) does it infringe upon other characters options or background
3) does it significantly change the setting

Beyond those criteria I'm not sure how much right we have to reject a concept.

I don't see anything in nerdytenor's application that does any of the three. If there are concerns of course I think its fine to ask for clarification...
I don't think that in the most cosmopolitan city in the world having two or three people with weird mental states floating around really affects things.
(The three characters in question are radically different...)

If a given DM can't tolerate a character concept they are free, of course, not to run with that character.
Of course I'm the one that was pushing for judges to be called facilitators so I suppose I'm thinking along different lines.

 

[covaithe]

I confess to being uncomfortable with the idea that judges can individually (or even collectively) decide which sorts of characters are acceptable for a setting like this.

I agree. Good post, Graf.

Having looked at nerdytenor's background (not the rest of the sheet yet; that will have to wait until I get back to my books), I don't have any problems with it. The only thing to look out for is that if we end up approving a particular assignment of divine feats to deities, he should be careful not to take divine feats that could not belong to the same deity. (That would be an example of a background conferring an extra mechanical advantage.)

 

[garyh]

I confess to being uncomfortable with the idea that judges can individually (or even collectively) decide which sorts of characters are acceptable for a setting like this.

There are three areas I would look at:
1) does a concept grant some sort of extra mechanical advantage?
2) does it infringe upon other characters options or background
3) does it significantly change the setting

Beyond those criteria I'm not sure how much right we have to reject a concept.

I agree. As long as you aren't claiming to be the Liberator (and to clarify, I'm fine with that being a possibility, like our first couple Gith) or unilaterally claiming someone else's character is your brother, I don't know how much we really should be in the business of asking people to change their character (non-mechanically speaking).

 

[Dunamin]

Thanks for the character approval of Woe guys!

One question to Halford, though: I understand the change of Inspiring Word to a Daily for simplification, but what about effects that modify encounter or daily powers specifically? For example, if Woe is hit by an attack that prevents use of dailies or uses the Demigod's Divine Miracle feature that only pertains to encounter powers?

 

[Dunamin]

If you're still having trouble getting through submitted characters I wouldn't mind helping out as reviewer (though I'm sorry to say I don't have time for going full judge).

 

[nerdytenor]

I agree. Good post, Graf.
The only thing to look out for is that if we end up approving a particular assignment of divine feats to deities, he should be careful not to take divine feats that could not belong to the same deity. (That would be an example of a background conferring an extra mechanical advantage.)

Quite right. I was assuming Tander would not take any god-specific feats until that question of his god was resolved - I will add a note to that effect to the character sheet.

 

[garyh]

If you're still having trouble getting through submitted characters I wouldn't mind helping out as reviewer (though I'm sorry to say I don't have time for going full judge).

That'd be great! The other Living games all have both full judges and character reviewers, and it seems to work well for them. And right now at this point in the project, character reviews are the bulk of the work anyway.

Quite right. I was assuming Tander would not take any god-specific feats until that question was resolved - I will add a note to that effect to the character sheet.

Sounds good to me.

 

[Halford]

Well it seems like we have answered the question on Tander, and that being the case I will go ahead and approve him!

 

[renau1g]

I've posted to RHOD Halford , it finally worked. Maybe nerdytenor can work on a new god as part of his character development? Maybe a nice little hook that a DM can work with. I know one of my favourite PC's was a Paladin of an unknown goddess, who turned out to be the Red Knight in the FR, and the whole time the PC was working on her agenda without knowing her true identity...

She was also a minor goddess looking to establish a church in the realm, maybe another possibility for nerdytenor?