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Liz Schuh on Dragon/Dungeon moving to the web

It's also worth noting that when publishing an interview, there is always a possibility of the questions and answers being edited before publication.

We don't know if the questions were longer, or if the answers were longer and then edited down for brevity by the editor before publishing.

/M
 

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Dark Psion said:
Dragon magazine is delivered to my mailbox, it is delivered to magazine racks, bookstores and game stores every month.

The internet is not delivered anywhere. I have to choose go to the site.

EnWorld does not come to me, I go to it, and then I have to click on the message boards, choose the thread and then participate. If I did not know EnWorld existed, I could not play there.
Well, if you ask me, just about anything on the internet is just as accessible as any book sitting on my bookshelf. Putting my shoes on to go outside and check my mailbox, or looking through old boxes trying to find old issues of magazines, both take much more time than opening a web browser and clicking on a bookmark. So I don't agree with your point.

Yes, but you're preaching to the choir. How many kids got their first exposure to D&D just by "seeing" a Dragon magazine on a magazine rack or borrowing one from a friend?
Good question. Honestly, I don't think it as many as you think. I know my own experience is anecdotal, but I never went into book stores much until I was already into the hobby. Game stores were intimidating for me for quite a while after I was already playing D&D. The FLGS is not so friendly and familiar for people who are not part of the active D&D community. They can be seen as strange or scary. I was posting on the official WotC message boards for a long time before I ever walked into a FLGS. I first heard that Dungeon and Dragon existed on the Wizards message boards.

Also, isn't it a lot easier to spread information about digital content than physical objects these days? If you want to lend a magazine to a friend, you have to give them the physical object. For digital content, a link sent via e-mail is often good enough, and showing a friend the content on your laptop is just as easy.

Once again, the internet is a personal experience. The only other eyeballs on my screen is the person looking over my shoulder. A magazine can be seen by anyone anywhere. I read mine at work while eating lunch, others have mentioned reading while traveling. Gaming is a shared experience between people.

In many ways the Internet is an Illusion, created by carefully arranged mirrors called servers. But there are many ways this illusion can fail; viruses, hackers, and power outages. Plus in my household, this illusion can only be seen in one room. If I walk to the kitchen, the illusion is lost.
I am afraid your argument here is not a logical argument, but is instead an emotional appeal, and since I don't relate to your sentiments here at all, it isn't terribly convincing.

Does WotC not want these people to play D&D anymore?
Since when was it a requirement that people must subscribe to Dungeon and Dragon in order to play D&D? Dungeon and Dragon have always been nothing more than one particular venue for supplemental material for D&D. In practice, they are little different from splatbooks or adventures published in book format. And as many threads at ENWorld have said lately, you don't need to buy supplements in order to enjoy D&D.


What we do not understand is why Dragon & Dungeon have to die to create this web initiative. It's apples and oranges to most of us, Dogs and cats, ....well no it is not.

It is Dogs and Goldfish.

One can go anywhere with you and do a lot of things together with you.

The other you just sit a watch in one room of your house.*

*Additional fish cost extra.
Well, I think a number of people have made pretty good logical arguements for why the print magazines did have to cease to exist in order to allow the web version to survive. And frankly, you are seriously downplaying the prevalence and effectiveness of various kinds of technology that allow the internet to "go anywhere with you". To be blunt, such technology existed since the lowly days of printers and floppy disks, let alone the modern days of cheap high storage USB flash drives, laptop computers, and PDAs. My laptop is probably lighter than the weight of carrying a few D&D books and magazines, and where I play D&D there are easily accessed wireless internet services.
 

Vigilance said:
I think competing with a licensee (Paizo) is bad business and would be a bad idea for Wizards, but mostly for the licensee.

So they could bring the magazine back in house and run it in addition to the web content, but Wizards has shown absolutely no desire to be in the magazine business.

So they wouldn't want to compete with a licensee, and they don't want to be in the magazine business themselves.

That's my guess.
Yeah.
Either way they would have redundant products and be in competition with themself.
 

Dark Psion said:
Dragon magazine is delivered to my mailbox, it is delivered to magazine racks, bookstores and game stores every month.

The internet is not delivered anywhere. I have to choose go to the site.

EnWorld does not come to me, I go to it, and then I have to click on the message boards, choose the thread and then participate. If I did not know EnWorld existed, I could not play there.
??? :\
And if you didn't know that Dragon existed you could not subscribe to it.

I certainly find going to a web site to be vastly easier than finding a particular article in a back issue of Dragon.

How many kids got their first exposure to D&D just by "seeing" a Dragon magazine on a magazine rack or borrowing one from a friend?
Back when the internet did not exist.
These days kids go to the internet for information.

Periodicals of all sorts are feeling the pinch. Some more harshly than others.

If you think you are going to reach 13 year olds in the 2000s the same way you reached 13 years old in the 80s then you are going to have issues.
 

Glyfair said:
A number I question. Say I look at the website at work, at home and on the game club computer. That means I'm 3 "unique visitors."

Given my workplace computer access and browsing habits, I count as at least 30 unique visitors. Possibly 50.
 

Black_Swan said:
blackberry's, cell phones, and other hand held devices can go where ever you go. If the DI accomidates those types of devices then you will be able to take it with you.

Those are nice; the screen on a cell phone is exactly equivilent to holding a magazine in my hands.
 

Jim Hague said:
I mean, it's an asinine question, but ascribing some grand conspiracy to it is just plain silly.


What, exactly, is this "grand conspiracy" you keep talking about?

"WotC might have written the interview & sent it as a press release"? Is that a "grand conspiracy" in your eyes? How is that "Illuminati-esque"?

Color me confused. :confused:


RC
 
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Riley said:
Given my workplace computer access and browsing habits, I count as at least 30 unique visitors. Possibly 50.

Well, let's say that everyone has the same surfing habits that you do. Even then, that would mean that 260 000 unique people visits WotC:s web site each year.

To me that's a pretty impressive number.

/M
 

While I'd hate advertising in DI, I'd actually miss it now there is no Dungeon or Dragon, and advert in those magazine usually meant it would be something I might consider looking at. I don't know where I'll get information about new products now.
 

TwinBahamut said:
Putting my shoes on to go outside and check my mailbox, or looking through old boxes trying to find old issues of magazines, both take much more time than opening a web browser and clicking on a bookmark. So I don't agree with your point.
On a side note, I've yet to get a 404 ERROR PAGE NOT FOUND or a HTTP 500 Error in my Dragon or Dungeon magazine.

Do I have to mention that hard drives fail also? I can't tell you how much online content I've lost over time due to those failures.

So while it can be more convenient, the downside is much more extensive in an online model.
 

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