Paul Farquhar
Legend
Loki seems to think his ability to survive apparent death is his core power!
Loki! (spoiler thread)
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So, her conception was not the nexus event.
Maxperson
Morkus from Orkus
I think it was. At some point during the episode I think it's Sylvie that says that it was being born female that made her a variant. I think that it was just at whatever age they showed up at to grab her was when the variation reached the levels that they come to prune at.
Paul Farquhar
Legend
Okay, here is some whacky speculation. Laufey and Hela are the parents of all the Lokis. In one timeline Loki is born a male frost giant, taken by Laufey then left to die. Odin rescues and adopts his grandson. In another timeline Loki is born female, called Sylvie and raised by her mother Hela.
Meh. Loki's gender is fluid. What gender Loki is at any moment (even birth) isn't really an issue.
And... this is Pride Month. I am totally comfortable with the idea that Marvel would choose to NOT make the statement that what gender the character was assigned at birth matters to the universe.
Sylvie doesn't know. Sylvie asks what her nexus event was, in the elevator before seeing the Tiime Keepers, and is not given an answer.
Maxperson
Morkus from Orkus
At the very beginning of the episode when she and Loki are on the planet, she tells him that the universe is trying to break free, so it manifests chaos, like her being born the goddess of mischief(female). And that as soon as that created a big enough detour from the sacred timeline, the TVA showed up.
Perhaps at the end she's asking what her crime was, because being born female isn't a crime.
DeviousQuail
Hero
The relationship between Loki and Sylvie seemed to turn a bit more romantic in this episode. At least from Loki's side of the equation. I'm not sure if I like that as it seems very... narcissistic. Masturbatory? I don't know. I might be reading into it too much. And seeing as everything got absolutoey turned on it's head I'm not sure what to expect going forward.
I have subtitles on most of the time when streaming so the conversation with the Timekeepers was easy enough to follow. The subtitles added a nice touch in the post credit scene because it showed Loki saying "Am I in Hel?" which is a joke I would've missed without them on.
My rule of thumb is to turn subtitles off when watching comedies (ruins the timing of jokes) or anything that is meant to be particularly beautiful or breathtaking (gets in the way).
I have subtitles on most of the time when streaming so the conversation with the Timekeepers was easy enough to follow. The subtitles added a nice touch in the post credit scene because it showed Loki saying "Am I in Hel?" which is a joke I would've missed without them on.
My rule of thumb is to turn subtitles off when watching comedies (ruins the timing of jokes) or anything that is meant to be particularly beautiful or breathtaking (gets in the way).
Maxperson
Morkus from Orkus
I would have gone with incestuous. I mean, it's hard to be related closer than yourself.
Maxperson
Morkus from Orkus
So what @Umbran said about not making a statement about gender at birth during pride month got me thinking. So far we have female Loki as a variant, Loki(Bi/Gender Fluid) as a variant, and now with the cut scene at the end, really young Loki, really old Loki, and Black Thor as I assume variants because they were likely pruned to get there.
It look as if they are going through all the protected categories as variants, presumable to make a statement in the next or final episode.
It look as if they are going through all the protected categories as variants, presumable to make a statement in the next or final episode.
And Alligator Loki is there for... endangered species?
Maxperson
Morkus from Orkus
I didn't see an Alligator Loki, unless you're talking about the pictures from a few episodes ago. I'm talking about the characters that seem to have speaking parts. I could be wrong, but it seems that here at the end they are singling out protected classes.
Edit: I went back and looked and I just figured that was his pet. We'll see.
FitzTheRuke
Legend
Is he Frog Thor's version of Loki? LOL.
Enevhar Aldarion
Hero
The kid is holding an alligator that is wearing horns. That is Alligator/Crocodile Loki, and is probably a Loki who got stuck in that form after shapeshifting. Foreign language credits list it. The foreign language credits also name the Thor/Loki hybrid as Boastful Loki.
Maxperson
Morkus from Orkus
Interesting. What is foreign language credits?
Edit: Looking at the English credits, it only lists Classic(old) Loki, Kid Loki and Boastful Loki. No mention of the alligator.
Enevhar Aldarion
Hero
I think the spoiler article listed the German credits? It is like how the French credits listed Sylvie, but the English credits did not give her a name in episode 2.
tomBitonti
Adventurer
I’m with the idea that the gender of Loki is fluid, and, according to what matters to the TVA, un-important. This is refreshing to have in a series as built-in and not worth drawing attention. And, it makes for interesting discussion re: Loki falling in love with themself. Having the two instances being of different genders obscures the essential narcissism of the love. This points out, perhaps, one’s biases in viewing romance, as well as perhaps pointing out how a lot of what seems to be love is really one loving their reflection in their lover. Intriguing stuff.
TomB
TomB
RangerWickett
Legend
Yeah, my assumption is:
Prime Timeline - kid Loki (genderfluid) does action X, which the time keepers are cool with. He grows up and mostly uses a male appearance.
Branch Timeline - kid Loki (genderfluid) does action Y, which the time keepers flip out about. She escapes and decides to adopt a feminine appearance, perhaps because she learns about other Lokis and wants to distance herself from them.
As for what X and Y are, it might've been something as simple as X was "being a selfish piss-ant" and Y was "wanting to be heroic and save Asgard."
elawai
Community Supporter
I believe they showed why Sylvie was picked up by the TVA on screen. She was expected to be the Goddess of Mischief, and instead of playing pranks on others, she's playing with toys and taking the role of the hero. She was obviously a well behave child, and that made her a variant.
tomBitonti
Adventurer
+1. Loki has a prescribed role, as described in one of the initial episodes. I’m thinking their deviation from that role creates the deviant.
It would seem that the TVA is too narrowly constraining the timeline, and deviations are a normal thing, especially with creatures such as Loki, which are described as a chaotic expression of the universe.
TomB
trappedslider
Legend
It's in align with the actual Norse mythology in which Loki is well basically everything fluid lol
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