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Do you find having to put the artist's name somewhere a restriction? Or is it the cropping?
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The Sigil
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I have NO problem with putting the artist's name in. In fact, I would feel bad not doing so.
The "not cropping" restriction is somewhat (not in your particular picture, but in some others). The big problems I have (not with yours, but again with others) are with conditions like "only display between 75% and 125% of original size" and "no flipping" or "no re-sizing" or "no coloring" or "no distorting" or "cannot cover with other graphic" and so on.
When I buy clipart, I expect to be able to use it as clipart - i.e., to do whatever I darn well please in terms of using the art in a product - color it, crop it, flip it, resize it, distort it, invert the colors, cover it with part of another graphic to get one larger, complete picture (i.e., "cut & paste" a human, orc, dwarf, and elf together to create a picture of an adventuring party), whatever... provided I give the original artist credit. But then, I'm kind of funny that way.
What I want as a publisher out of art I pay for is the ability to use (but not claim I created) the art in electronic and print forms (only) as though I had created it; i.e., I can't draw, that's why I hire you to do it, but I want the drawings to fit my imagination, not yours, since I am the one shelling out the cash. I don't want to buy it as a "work for hire" because I don't think that's right, either, but I do want to be able to make use of it in a manner of my choosing.
(Again, I'm particular about this on the theory that "if I pay for it, I should be able to control how it's used" - the same reason I don't like DVDs that don't let me fast-forward and so on). I know that artists (rightly) also feel "if I create it, I should be able to control how it's used" - so that's why I try to work out in advance the parameters of use I want to have control of in exchange for my money. If I can't get enough control of how I use it, I won't give up my money... it's as simple as that - and we both go home unhappy, because he doesn't get paid and I don't get to use the good art. On the flip side, if the artist does agree to give me the control I want, and I give him the money he wants, we both go home happy... he's gotten paid and I've gotten the control I feel is necessary to justify exchanging money for it.
This is not a rip on anyone in particular; rather, it's an attempt to explain my thought process as a publisher. As a publisher, I feel the need to control the visual style of my products. That means that in order to control the visual style I feel that I need to have a certain amount of control over the art I use in my products in order to get the visual effects that I, as a publisher, want. This in turn tells me that I cannot justify paying for a piece of art if I cannot get the control I feel is necessary to produce a given visual style.
It's not so much a "control the artists" thing as it is a "please understand that if I'm going to pay you money, I need to be able to get the look I want, which may not be exactly the look you want."
Somewhat Flawed Analogy: I wouldn't pay someone to paint my car if they got to pick the color of the paint and trim and I had no say in it. If I'm going to pay you to paint my car, I want some say in the colors you use and the style you use. "Clipart" sets should be like the MAACO that offers a somewhat standardized paint job for a relatively inexpensive price - but I still get to pick the color. A "commission piece" is like hiring the local airbrush guy to give your car a special look you can't get elsewhere... and you pay more - but you still get to be pretty specific about colors and styles.
Am I making sense here? I think I've gotten too long-winded again (darn Mr. 3000 shows up again)
--The Sigil
The "not cropping" restriction is somewhat (not in your particular picture, but in some others). The big problems I have (not with yours, but again with others) are with conditions like "only display between 75% and 125% of original size" and "no flipping" or "no re-sizing" or "no coloring" or "no distorting" or "cannot cover with other graphic" and so on.
When I buy clipart, I expect to be able to use it as clipart - i.e., to do whatever I darn well please in terms of using the art in a product - color it, crop it, flip it, resize it, distort it, invert the colors, cover it with part of another graphic to get one larger, complete picture (i.e., "cut & paste" a human, orc, dwarf, and elf together to create a picture of an adventuring party), whatever... provided I give the original artist credit. But then, I'm kind of funny that way.
What I want as a publisher out of art I pay for is the ability to use (but not claim I created) the art in electronic and print forms (only) as though I had created it; i.e., I can't draw, that's why I hire you to do it, but I want the drawings to fit my imagination, not yours, since I am the one shelling out the cash. I don't want to buy it as a "work for hire" because I don't think that's right, either, but I do want to be able to make use of it in a manner of my choosing.
(Again, I'm particular about this on the theory that "if I pay for it, I should be able to control how it's used" - the same reason I don't like DVDs that don't let me fast-forward and so on). I know that artists (rightly) also feel "if I create it, I should be able to control how it's used" - so that's why I try to work out in advance the parameters of use I want to have control of in exchange for my money. If I can't get enough control of how I use it, I won't give up my money... it's as simple as that - and we both go home unhappy, because he doesn't get paid and I don't get to use the good art. On the flip side, if the artist does agree to give me the control I want, and I give him the money he wants, we both go home happy... he's gotten paid and I've gotten the control I feel is necessary to justify exchanging money for it.
This is not a rip on anyone in particular; rather, it's an attempt to explain my thought process as a publisher. As a publisher, I feel the need to control the visual style of my products. That means that in order to control the visual style I feel that I need to have a certain amount of control over the art I use in my products in order to get the visual effects that I, as a publisher, want. This in turn tells me that I cannot justify paying for a piece of art if I cannot get the control I feel is necessary to produce a given visual style.
It's not so much a "control the artists" thing as it is a "please understand that if I'm going to pay you money, I need to be able to get the look I want, which may not be exactly the look you want."
Somewhat Flawed Analogy: I wouldn't pay someone to paint my car if they got to pick the color of the paint and trim and I had no say in it. If I'm going to pay you to paint my car, I want some say in the colors you use and the style you use. "Clipart" sets should be like the MAACO that offers a somewhat standardized paint job for a relatively inexpensive price - but I still get to pick the color. A "commission piece" is like hiring the local airbrush guy to give your car a special look you can't get elsewhere... and you pay more - but you still get to be pretty specific about colors and styles.
Am I making sense here? I think I've gotten too long-winded again (darn Mr. 3000 shows up again)
--The Sigil
Kiln Publications
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No you make perfect sense, now my opinion (and this is my opinion) is that when you sell something royalty free you have to expect someone is going to use your artwork for whatever. purpose they want. I am glad to see you agree with my ideas on how the art should be used. That would be the only two stipulations I would give. Hey you are selling your art for an inexpensive amount, and in a quantity over 10 pieces you have to give some incentive to the purchaser. Right now I have completed 5 out of the 25 pieces. I am shooting for a Thanksgiving Day weekend release for this project. I will have the demo (pdf) on my website when complete of all the images shrunk down (but not too much) to see what you are purchasing. If all goes well then I will create more volumes....
annadobritt
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V_Shane said:Geez Anna and her Kobold frenzyI'll have to make a special volume jsut for you Anna!
Shane
LOL! Can't help it. Ever since Deekin the kobold bard appeared in NWN, I've been hooked on unusual kobolds.
madelf
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Still looking?
If anyone is still interested in this kind of stuff, I've got three clip art products that will be coming out very soon (as soon as I can get my RPGnow account set up).
You can find previews, and a couple of free samples at www.madelf.net/products.html
Cheers!
Calvin Camp - Mad Elf Enterprises
If anyone is still interested in this kind of stuff, I've got three clip art products that will be coming out very soon (as soon as I can get my RPGnow account set up).
You can find previews, and a couple of free samples at www.madelf.net/products.html
Cheers!
Calvin Camp - Mad Elf Enterprises
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HalWhitewyrm
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I still am. Good clip-art always comes in handy, and after seeing your collections, I'd have to say I am even more interested. Release away.
The Sigil said:When I buy clipart, I expect to be able to use it as clipart - i.e., to do whatever I darn well please in terms of using the art in a product - color it, crop it, flip it, resize it, distort it, invert the colors, cover it with part of another graphic to get one larger, complete picture (i.e., "cut & paste" a human, orc, dwarf, and elf together to create a picture of an adventuring party), whatever... provided I give the original artist credit. But then, I'm kind of funny that way.
And you can do all of this with the Ronin Arts stock art -- including the single images.
More Classic Fantasy Stock Art
We've released 9 new images. There are now a total of 24 available.
http://www.rpgnow.com/product_info.php?products_id=3711
We've released 9 new images. There are now a total of 24 available.
http://www.rpgnow.com/product_info.php?products_id=3711
madelf
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They're ready!
Three of my clip art collections are now available at RPGnow
(I had to split the characters set up, because the 40 piece file was too big to upload - but the price works out about the same)
Hope you like them.
I'll have another up soon.
Calvin Camp
Mad Elf Enterprises
Three of my clip art collections are now available at RPGnow
(I had to split the characters set up, because the 40 piece file was too big to upload - but the price works out about the same)
Hope you like them.
I'll have another up soon.
Calvin Camp
Mad Elf Enterprises
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