Lost 2/23/07 Season Finale w/ spoilers

[Grymar]

But not only was Jack referring to his father as alive in the hospital, he had a written script (forged, probably) from his father. He wouldn't try to pass that off if his father was dead, would he?

He might, but I'm really tempted to think that his dad was alive.

BUT (thinking here) then why would Jack have even been on Oceanic 815? The only reason he was on there was because of his dad's death.

OK, I'm not sure any more.

 

[TracerBullet42]

So...where was Alpert?

 

[Taelorn76]

Some one else here mentioned it but I thought Charlie's death was pointless. He had already set the rescue in motion by turning off the jamming signal. He had received the message from Penny that Naomi was not working for her. Plus he had ample time to close the door behind him. Michal didn't release the trigger on the grenade until after Charlie closed the door.

 

[Sir Brennen]

The body of Jack's father is somewhere on the island, as it was being transported home by Jack on the flight. Jack has also seen his father on the island... maybe it wasn't just a hallucination and an island pod-person is back impersonating Jack's father and performing drunken surgeries. Or not.

Casket... I too made the jump that it might be Ben in there. With the Boaters coming, perhaps the Losties discover that they need to reluctantly join forces with Ben to save themselves, in effect becoming "the Others". Jack obviously learns of the importance of the island, though belatedly. If Ben dies, especially if it's a consequence of leaving the island, Jack's last real hope of returning to it is gone, which is why he tries to commit suicide.

I could also see Locke being the one in the casket for the same reason. The rest of the Losties would still hold resentment toward him for trying to keep them on the island.

And my, Walt sure looks older than when Locke saw him a few weeks ago (THAT vision I didn't expect... what's the significance of it being Walt?)

Even though Hurley got sort of dumped on, I really like the fact that Charlie and Sawyer both were cruel to him only because they were genuinely trying to protect him. I also liked the fact last week that Charlie couldn't let his last words to Hugo be those comments about him being fat.

I agree with Ranger Wickett to some extent that if Ben hiked across the island with the idea he was going to change Jack's mind, I'd think he'd at least offer up some explanation other than "Trust me..." Though he did have a plan in place to try and force Jack to co-operate. Maybe that's just another example of how Ben's mind works... manipulation before explanation.

 

[Remus Lupin]

You know what might be interesting -- if from now on, instead of filling us in on backstory, every episode is a flashforward, that works sequentially BACKWARD from events we saw last night to the the moment that they arrive back on the mainland. So that chronologically, we saw the absolute last image of the show last night, but in terms of storytelling, the very last episode will be them getting off of the Island (in fact, there needen't even be any "flashing" of any kind in that episode).

So, beginning of next season, we discover who was in the coffin. Say it's Ben, we then go back through several episodes to discover in reverse how Ben came to die, who Kate ended up with, and why. So, as in Momento, the story is compelling only because we want to know what caused the events that we're looking at right now.

It also means the story of these characters' lives ends in total despair.

 

[RedShirtNo5]

Wow, great episode.

I knew there was somthing wrong with the "flashbacks" but wasn't sure what.

While it does seem like Charlie could have escaped, it is consistent with Lost - he had kicked his habit and established a new family. Charlies character arc was complete so it was time for him to go.

I think Jack found a script form pad from his father and forged the script. He stormed out because he knew if the pharmacist made the call she would find out his father was dead.

The "You go up and get my old man," was simultaneously showing Jack as so drunk/drugged up that he was loosing it and clubbing us over the head with a message - since Jack didn't resolve his issues on the island he was doomed to follow in his father's footsteps.

I initially thought that the dead body was Sawyer, but Ben makes alot of sense.

So, is the future immutable?

 

[Demmero]

Catch me up to speed again, how did jack's father die and did we see a body?

I'm not sure it was ever officially announced what the cause of his death was (although alcohol poisoning seems a real possibility...and now I'm thinking that maybe it was a heart issue), but I know I recall a scene where Jack IDs his father at the morgue.

 

[Ambrus]

Alex: You locked Carl in a cage and tried to brainwash him!
Ben: I didn't want him getting you pregnant. I may have overreacted.

Overreaction is Ben's modus operandi.

As Hurley would say: "Dude..."

 

[DonTadow]

But not only was Jack referring to his father as alive in the hospital, he had a written script (forged, probably) from his father. He wouldn't try to pass that off if his father was dead, would he?

He might, but I'm really tempted to think that his dad was alive.

BUT (thinking here) then why would Jack have even been on Oceanic 815? The only reason he was on there was because of his dad's death.

OK, I'm not sure any more.

Bam! you're right. He sure did. IF his father had been dead for as long as they've been on the island, his script pad wouldn't even be around.

More questions than answers now me thinks.

 

[David Howery]

was the jamming station deep enough that one would get the bends swimming out of it? If it was only deep enough that you could hold your breath and swim down to it, that isn't enough to cause the bends, is it? It seems to me Charlie could have simply run out and jumped into the moonpool, yelling at Desmond to do the same.... no need to close off the room....