Lost 2/23/07 Season Finale w/ spoilers

[Grymar]

Well, do you think the moonpool was deeper than 66 feet? Beyond that is the point where divers have to start planning staged ascents. Plus there is a risk of an embolism if they tried to hold their breath on the ascent...they would have to exhale the entire way up (which isn't as easy as it sounds) or their lungs would rupture from the expanding air. I can see Dez having the training for that from his military and sailing days, but not Charlie.

Some have said that Charlie should have swam out the port-hole, but it was barely as big around as Patchy's face. There is no way, IMO, that he would have been able to squeeze out there.

 

[DonTadow]

Some one else here mentioned it but I thought Charlie's death was pointless. He had already set the rescue in motion by turning off the jamming signal. He had received the message from Penny that Naomi was not working for her. Plus he had ample time to close the door behind him. Michal didn't release the trigger on the grenade until after Charlie closed the door.

Someone layed it out for me earlier. Charlie is convinced that if the vision does not go how desmond said, claire would not go off of the island. Kinda like Desmond's previousvision. Charlie was suppose to die, and then he would see his wife. However, he saved charlies and instead of his wife it was someone else. If charlie had lived, according to this logic, claire still would not be rescued.

 

[Taelorn76]

I agree with Ranger Wickett to some extent that if Ben hiked across the island with the idea he was going to change Jack's mind, I'd think he'd at least offer up some explaination other than "Trust me..." Though he did have a plan in place to try and force Jack to co-operate. Maybe that's just another example of how Ben's mind works... manipulation before than explaination.

I think that is the best way that I have heard how to describe how Ben thinks

 

[Arnwyn]

Wow, what a perfectly terrible episode. I'm glad others liked it, but I found it to be boring, stupid, and a waste of my time.

There were only 2 good things about that episode:
- Hurley driving in to save the Losties (and he's the only thing that makes this show worth watching);
- The Others getting brutally killed and beaten. That was worth watching.

Jack's "flashback" (or whatever the hell that was) made not one wit of sense, and thus was entirely uncompelling. Thanks for nothing. (Now, I'm sure they're trying to introduce yet another [lame] mystery here, but I found it so poorly done that it simply wasn't worth my time to suffer through it.)

Okay, here's the thing. I want to know what's going on. There have got to be people among the Lostaways who are actually curious. Why is no one f---ing asking "WHY!?!"

Jack: We're getting off this island.

Ben: Don't, it's dangerous.

Jack: I'm not listening to you anymore, you devil-tongued bastard.

Random lostie: Um . . . Jack, it's not going to kill us if we wait 30 seconds. Hey, bug-eyed guy, um . . . why is it dangerous?

Ben: All I can tell you is, if you make that call, you'll all die.

Random lostie: That's it? Because, y'know, if you gave us a little bit more information, we, um, might actually believe you. What's so important that you can't tell about it, even at the cost of your own life? I mean, damn, we've been fighting a lot, when all we want to do is get off this island. I'm honestly tired of it. Isn't that right? *looks around*

Other generic losties: *nod, mumble, agree*

Random lostie: Okay, so, what's your name?

Ben: Hi, I'm Ben.

Random lostie: Okay Ben, I'm Hamid. See, you're Ben, I'm Hamid. We're sharing information, making a rapport, not wanting to kill each other. See how easy this is? Y'know, there's no waving guns around, no 'I can't tell you my name, because keeping some random ass secret is more important than my life.' We're just talking, like two normal people who are on the same f---ed up island. Right?

Everyone: . . .

Hamid: So Ben, here's the deal. I am *chuckle* really f---ing tired of not knowing what's going on. I'm so tired at this point, all you have to do is lie to me -- convincingly -- about why we need to stay here, and why us getting rescued is a bad idea. You're Mr. "I'm gonna trick you with my silver tongue," so why don't you use that oversized little noggin of yours and tell us why we can't leave.

Ben: . . . Wow. I'd never thought of it like that before. I'm really sorry for being irrationally secretive at the cost of your friends' lives and my people's lives. Thank you, Hamid, for snapping me out of it. Sure, I'll tell you everything.

And this really really bears repeating, as it was my other major issue with this episode. By this point, it'd be funny if it weren't entirely stupid.

But, like I said - I'm glad others liked it.

 

[EricNoah]

I knew there was somthing wrong with the "flashbacks" but wasn't sure what.

Jack's fake beard?

 

[Hand of Evil]

The more I think about this one, the more I dislike it. I do think it has finally jumped the shark for me.

Stupid deaths:
1. Charlie - yea, it was suicide, noble or not, just stupid. Figure he would do anything to get off the show.
2. Niomi - Locke recovers from death, travels accross the island and kills someone he does not know. So many other ways to have done it.
3. Tom - An other and needed a bullet in him but Sawyer did not get sick, may be he is getting use to killing.


The biggest question I have is who's vision is was, Locke's as laid in the ditch, Jack's as he sits in a chair being mind-control after saving Ben, or Desmond's. I think, it is Jack in a chair being mind controlled, aka Karl.

 

[Taelorn76]

The biggest question I have is who's vision is was, Locke's as laid in the ditch, Jack's as he sits in a chair being mind-control after saving Ben, or Desmond's. I think, it is Jack in a chair being mind controlled, aka Karl.

Not sure if I follow, what vision are you talking about?

 

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

Some one else here mentioned it but I thought Charlie's death was pointless.

The visions change unless fulfilled. He was getting Claire rescued by a helicopter by fulfilling the vision. He had to die.

 

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

1. Charlie - yea, it was suicide, noble or not, just stupid. Figure he would do anything to get off the show.

See the interview up on EW right now. He doesn't hate the show and likes the arc with the death. And heck, Boone and Shannon have shown up a ton of times since being killed off.

2. Niomi - Locke recovers from death, travels accross the island and kills someone he does not know.

Locke is getting direct communications from the island. Immediately before showing up, it manifested as a vision of a fast-growing Walt and told him he had tasks to do. We didn't see what those tasks were, but given Locke's words and actions, it seems clear he was told the same things that Ben was.

 

[Hand of Evil]

Not sure if I follow, what vision are you talking about?

The flash forward and maybe the whole episode, if not, then the Jack parts of them, from the point where he tells Kate on the radio, not to come back for him. I have a feeling he is strapped in that chair, Jullette and Ben feeding him drugs and a story, that is why things are so screwed up with him in the future flashes, now all he wants is to be back on the island, and Ben is the only one that can get him back there but he is the person in the coffin, along with Jack's hope but what happens, Ben appears and Jack begs him to take him back, how horrible a mistake it was, that he was wrong and Ben was right....