Lost 2/23/07 Season Finale w/ spoilers

[Sir Brennen]

I wonder ... maybe the "fast-growing Walt" means that the island is on a different time than the rest of the world?

Nah, I think it was just something that couldn't be helped because the actors are aging faster than the show's storyline. Especially obvious with a child actor. Though, given how obvious this would be, it does make one wonder why they chose Walt to appear.

Not dream, planted memories via clockwork orange, it will be mixed in with some truth to hold it together.

Whether "planted memories" or a dream, the narrative effect is the same: "Half the season you just saw never really happened. Thanks for watching!" That would indeed cheese viewers off to no end. Given how much Jack would have to "remember" that wasn't even related to him, like scenes which involved no-one but the Others, or even the flashbacks of other people, and then act as if he had no knowledge of what he just dreamed about as he continues his dream.

Nope, doesn't hold water. Plus, it would be contradictory to the quality of scripting and plotting evident in the series (even tho many people complain that it's gotten bad recently, I don't believe it will ever get *that* bad.)

 

[Taelorn76]

Desmond has mentioned before that he does not see a complete picture of the future only pieces of it. I don't thing Penny was every going to land on the island. He assumed it was her because he saw someone parachute down, found a bag with a book and a picture of him and Penny, none of his visions actually showed Penny as the parachuter. He assumed it was her.

Same thing can be said about Charlie. In his visions I don't think Desmond was in the looking glass with Charlie. He saw

Charlie stopping the jamming signal
The looking glass flooding
Claire being rescued

He may never have seen Charlie die like he did in the others. Struck by lighting, drowning, arrow through the throat, He may have assumed that Charlie had to died down there. And by telling Charlie that, Charlie felt that was the only option. But in reality, the signal was stopped and the rescue is on the way, and Charlie should've/could've been alive.

 

[Mark CMG]

Here's some thoughts before I read other folk's thoughts . . .

I think Ben is in the coffin. I think the hatch Charlie closed could only be latched from his side, so it avoided killing Desmond by avoiding flooding the whole station. (How could he let Des die right after meeting Penny? ) I had thought that Desmond would somehow get back to the beach and get in touch with Jack on the walkie talkies before Jack talked on the high tech phone, and that Jack would then destroy the high tech phone as an end to the season. Walt got old. I had a feeling that Ben and Locke would both wind up switching which team they were on, whether the team they wind up on wants them or not. Sawyer seems to like killing people now or, at least, think it is okay to do so. Jin with the sweep and Sayid with the scissors neck snap, booyah! Don't forget that Charlie's ring is still in the crib back at the beach. I wonder if we will eventually find out who the musician was that programmed the Looking Glass station jamming code.

 

[occam]

This one really got me back into the lost mood. The death of charlie was sad and i don't know why he didn't just leave and close the door after him. I guess he just got tired of running from his destiny. He wanted to die a "hero".

For Charlie to get out of the room he would've had to fight Desmond desperately trying to get in and see Penny. In the scuffle, either the door may not have closed in time, or Desmond could've gotten into the room and drowned. I think Charlie made a decision to sacrifice himself to save Desmond. Plus, it fulfills the conditions of the vision Desmond described to him, supposedly leading to Claire's rescue.

 

[occam]

Wow!!! Finally the beating the Others have had coming to them was administered. That was a huge payoff after all the games they've been playing the last three years.

Woo hoo!! Very satisfying to see the tables turned, finally.

As for Charlie....it strikes me. He wasn't injured. Why couldn't he have simply waited until the air was almost gone, taken a deep breath, and swum out? As the amount of air left in the room decreased, the level of water pressure pushing into the room would have decreased, and he could have swam out the porthole, couldn't he?

I think some of the camera work confused the situation. Take a look near the end of the scene, when Charlie is floating next to the porthole, and you'll see that it's way too small for him to fit through.

 

[occam]

Someone else mention, and they have a good point, that a techie sort of clue that it was a flash forward was that jack was using a black razor, which didn't exist in 2004 when the plane went down.

I noticed the slick phone, which got me to thinking about how the producers need to be careful to keep consumer tech, cars, etc. set in a world of 2004 or earlier. But I still didn't figure it out.

 

[occam]

Even though Hurley got sort of dumped on, I really like the fact that Charlie and Sawyer both were cruel to him only because they were genuinely trying to protect him. I also liked the fact last week that Charlie couldn't let his last words to Hugo be those comments about him being fat.

Exactly. As unpleasant as those exchanges were, Charlie and Sawyer were doing it out of love. Which demonstrates some really nice character development, actually. I'm just glad that Hurley didn't take those things to heart and find a cliff to jump from. Go go Hugo!!

 

[occam]

I knew there was somthing wrong with the "flashbacks" but wasn't sure what.

My wife and I noticed there was something weird about them, too, but couldn't figure it out (until the end). I was thinking about it some more this morning: Did they neglect to play that "whoosh" sound effect they usually use to introduce flashback scenes when they did the flashforwards? That would be a subtle clue, easily missed. (I had to delete the episode from the TiVo to clear some space, so I can't recheck.)

 

[RigaMortus2]

I was thinking...what if next season they actually *do* get off the island, and the remainder of the series is about the repurcushions of that? Them finding out why the island was important, why they will come to regret leaving, etc.

Banshee

I was thinking of the exact same thing. Then they can have flashbacks of when they were on the island (perhaps new scenes that we the viewers have not seen).

 

[RigaMortus2]

2. Niomi - Locke recovers from death, travels accross the island and kills someone he does not know. So many other ways to have done it.

I may not be remembering correctly, but who did Locke kill? He pointed a gun at Jack and threatened to kill him, but then just walked off. Who was he person Locke killed? What scene was that in?