Lost 2/23/07 Season Finale w/ spoilers

[Banshee16]

IOkay, here's the thing. I want to know what's going on. There have got to be people among the Lostaways who are actually curious. Why is no one f---ing asking "WHY!?!"

Jack: We're getting off this island.

Ben: Don't, it's dangerous.

Jack: I'm not listening to you anymore, you devil-tongued bastard.

Random lostie: Um . . . Jack, it's not going to kill us if we wait 30 seconds. Hey, bug-eyed guy, um . . . why is it dangerous?

Interesting theory for an alternate sequence of events. If I had to guess, they don't say anything because:

A) They all know the Others have kidnapped survivors before.

B) They all know the Others are planning on kidnapping the women.

C) The Losties have been quite clear about the fact that the Others can't be trusted. Specifically, Ben can't be trusted, because he's a consumate liar, and it's impossible to separate truth from fiction with him.

D) Locke wants to stay on the island....so can he be trusted?

I thought for a while about why Ben won't just open his yap and start spilling the goods. If he's soooooo desperate to "save the island", maybe he should stop manipulating that tribe of homesick survivors, and start actually dishing out some truth.

I suspect that at this point, the Others have just pushed the survivors too far. You can't abuse people over and over, lie to them again and again, and expect them to trust you. Of course they're going to fight back. And of course they'll be reluctant to believe anything you say.

Ben may be manipulative, but either there is some super-secret/important reason why he can't tell the survivors what's going on, or him and his gang of goons are complete morons, who've seriously miscalculated human nature, and how these survivors are likely to react.

It's kind of interesting though. I was relfecting at the end of the episode about events on the island, and realizing a few things...

1-The Others actually haven't really killed many survivors. How many? Maybe one?

2-The survivors have killed *several* Others. As of last night, at least 10.

3-In the first season, the Frenchwoman talked about her crewmates going mad.

4-What if the survivors are actually the jungle savages, and the Others are the civilized ones?

5-All of this suposition could be invalidated by the fact that the Others murdered like 40 Dharma Initiative members in cold blood.

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[Cthulhudrew]

I initially thought that Charlie's death was pointless, since he could have easily saved himself. But if you view it as Charlie fullfilling Desmond's vision of the future (with Claire being rescued as a direct result of Charlie drowning), it makes more sense. Charlie willingly sacrificed himself for Claire.

Except that Charlie knows that's not Penny's boat and that something strange is happening, so would he want the mystery boat to rescue her? I dunno. Your explanation is probably the best, though, because otherwise yeah why wouldn't he and Desmond have:

a) Prepped the tanks before entering the code so they'd be ready to leave at a moment's notice, and/or

b) Just shut the door and grabbed the tanks and gotten out of there? Even if you presume they couldn't lock it from the outside, they would still have had plenty of time to get out of the hatch before it completely flooded.

That and I'm still po'd that they decided to leave Sayid, Jin, and Bernard to shoot the dynamite rather than, say, their best shooters Kate and Sawyer. Along with a couple of other able bodied men and/or women to handle the Others- surely somewhere in the 40 odd group there are some people who can at least handle themselves in a fight so that they could even out the odds against 10 admittedly armed Others. Give 'em some rocks to throw.

I did like that Hurley saved the day in his van, though.

I'm guessing that what we saw at the end will take place sometime post this episode but prior to the end of the series. At least I hope so, because if that future is the end of things, I'm really not too enthused about the rest of the series. I really don't want to see Jack turn into some depressed, suicidal alcoholic. Kind of hard to invest myself in a character that ends up that way, maybe it's just me.

 

[Cthulhudrew]

okay, so who do you suppose the 'bad guys' on the ship are?

Given all the Las Vegas cast that are turning up on this show, maybe it's James Caan?

 

[Banshee16]

was the jamming station deep enough that one would get the bends swimming out of it? If it was only deep enough that you could hold your breath and swim down to it, that isn't enough to cause the bends, is it? It seems to me Charlie could have simply run out and jumped into the moonpool, yelling at Desmond to do the same.... no need to close off the room....

You can get the bends any time you surface too quickly after being deeper than 33'......*if you're breathing compressed air...ie. scuba tank*. If you could get them easily just by what you can suck in and hold in your lungs, there'd be a much higher incidence of injuries among skin divers, etc. I know I can go 25-30' down, and stay down, and come back up no problem. I've never tried deeper simply because unless it's a pool, usually you can't see easily in deeper water, and pools don't get much deeper than 25'...at least the ones that I've seen.

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[Cthulhudrew]

You know what might be interesting -- if from now on, instead of filling us in on backstory, every episode is a flashforward, that works sequentially BACKWARD from events we saw last night to the the moment that they arrive back on the mainland.

What I think is cool about this idea is how it would affect Desmond stories (presuming he still has his visions- although it is seeming as if he won't any longer, at least based on his negative response to Charlie's question). His stories could play out in the past (island) with flashes of the future or something.

 

[Cthulhudrew]

BUT (thinking here) then why would Jack have even been on Oceanic 815? The only reason he was on there was because of his dad's death.

Completely wild and random thought. We know that Jack went to Australia to pick up his father's dead body, and was transporting it back to the states. We know that Christian was in Sydney shortly before Oceanic 815 left on its fateful voyage. We know that Claire is Christian's illegitimate child.

What if Jack isn't Christian's biological son? What if part of the rift between the two men is that Jack learned he was adopted, or that his mother had had an affair like Christian Shepherd did? And Jack's real dad was the one whose body was being transported back to the states for burial (admittedly odd, if he was an Ozzie). Maybe Christian killed him?

Just thinking outside the box here...

 

[Banshee16]

I'm guessing that what we saw at the end will take place sometime post this episode but prior to the end of the series. At least I hope so, because if that future is the end of things, I'm really not too enthused about the rest of the series. I really don't want to see Jack turn into some depressed, suicidal alcoholic. Kind of hard to invest myself in a character that ends up that way, maybe it's just me.

Unless that point is actually a midpoint in the series. Maybe next season sees them get rescued, sees the aftermath of escaping the island, sees them find out *why* the island was important, and the series ends with them trying to find a way to get *back* to the island.

Which makes me think. What if the island is some kind of nexus between parallel realities. Maybe the Losties crashed in their plane, and because it was near the island, somehow they got shunted into a parallel reality where all the passengers on that plane were killed. Maybe there are other differences in this world....like Jack's father still being alive, as an example. And maybe some of those differences are really unpleasant for some of the characters like Jack.

Maybe they find this out, and Jack wants to return to the island, because it's the only way he can figure out to get back to their "home" reality.

This kind of theory would give a double meaning to the entire series. Not only are they lost on an island, but they're not even in their own world anymore.

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[Whizbang Dustyboots]

You can get the bends any time you surface too quickly after being deeper than 33'......*if you're breathing compressed air...ie. scuba tank*. If you could get them easily just by what you can suck in and hold in your lungs, there'd be a much higher incidence of injuries among skin divers, etc. I know I can go 25-30' down, and stay down, and come back up no problem. I've never tried deeper simply because unless it's a pool, usually you can't see easily in deeper water, and pools don't get much deeper than 25'...at least the ones that I've seen.

The air in Looking Glass is compressed, though. So holding his breath and swimming up and out = ouch.

 

[Cthulhudrew]

They must be former Dharma, just like Mikhail and Ben. I figure whoever they couldn't "convert" got gassed in the end.

I don't think Mikhail was really former Dharma- I believe he was just lying about that. Hasn't been demonstrated conclusively either way, to my knowledge (maybe if he shows up again next season we'll get some answers).

I though the said "stationed in Canada" actually, but either way, I just assumed he meant he thought they were supposed to be working there, presumably like Richard and Ethan were when they recruited Juliette.

 

[Cthulhudrew]

A couple more thoughts (can you tell I just finally saw it):

Kind of sad to see Tom go- he was growing on me- although I did like the way he went out. I especially liked the look on Juliette's face when Sawyer said he shot Tom because "I didn't believe him." Guess Sawyer surprised her- and maybe she'll keep an eye on her tendency to not tell the truth when she's around James.

Also- why did Naomi have a picture of Penny and Desmond if that wasn't a ship sent by Penny? And why/how did the Looking Glass just happen to pick up a transmission from Penny? I'm guessing that her father must somehow be involved with the ship offshore- that picture could only have come from someone close to the couple. In fact, I thought there was only the one picture (from the flashback episode), but obviously Des had one, and there is at least one other. I can't imagine they made too many copies of it, so it had to have come from Penny- and it that means it more than likely was procured by someone close to her.