Lost Monsters

[Echohawk]

Boz, I've looked quite exhaustively through every pre-2nd edition print source I can put my hands on, as well as through the Dragon magazine archive and I can find no evidence of the urd appearing prior to 1989's Monstrous Compendium Volume Two. (Heck, I could only find one solitary mention of urds anywhere in Dragon -- a throw away reference in Johnathan Richards' Ecology of the Osquip in issue 227.)

That said, one possibility is that urds first appeared in one of the D&D computer games published in the late 80's. There are a few pieces of FR fan fiction floating around on the net which mention urds, so I'm guessing they may have featured in Pool of Radiance, Curse of the Azure Bonds or Hillsfar, all of which were published around the same time as the MC2. Unfortunately, I don't own any of those games, so I can't check that theory .

 

[Thunderfoot]

That might be it! I'll have to pull out the old ports and bash through them over the next year... I'll let you know.

 

[Shade]

That said, one possibility is that urds first appeared in one of the D&D computer games published in the late 80's. There are a few pieces of FR fan fiction floating around on the net which mention urds, so I'm guessing they may have featured in Pool of Radiance, Curse of the Azure Bonds or Hillsfar, all of which were published around the same time as the MC2. Unfortunately, I don't own any of those games, so I can't check that theory .

I played through all of the "gold box" games several times in different eras, and I don't recall ever seeing urds. Of course, there were other D&D computer games beyond these such as Eye of the Beholder.

World of Sulerin, which is usually very reliable, list the following as their only sources: Monstrous Compendium Volume 2, Monstrous Manual, Black Spine.

 

[Jefe Bergenstein]

I forget which designers said it, but essentially they decided that a fallen celestial simply becomes a fiend of another type (like a fallen solar becoming a balor or pit fiend).

But a redeemed succubus just becomes retarded and rides a mount with the same fly speed as her?

 

[Shemeska]

But a redeemed succubus just becomes retarded and rides a mount with the same fly speed as her?

And also ignore that Vrocks are significantly higher caste tanar'ri than succubi, yet because it must have seemed like a good idea at the time, there's one serving as her mount.

I will agree, the succubus paladin is a potentially cool concept, but the implimentation in that particular case was retarded.

 

[Elemental]

One I've wondered about--the "Wyrm of Khyber" gets a passing mention in Eberron (in the context that one of the gods habitually appears as one of them), but has never appeared anywhere else, as far as I know.