LOST Wednesday 11/16/05 {Spoilers for this ep and previous eps ONLY!}

[fett527]

perhaps, but there is just too much we don't know..as usual

Which is why I watch.

 

[Crothian]

Which is why I watch.

I'm not argueing that...I can speculate to, but spuculation at this point with still so many missing pieces I don't find any better then blind guessing.

So, we go on with speculation: But if it is a utopian society, and the "good" people they felt would be best for it then:

1) where the strong people taken the first night just killed then?
2) why not watch them a little longer, a couple weeks is not enough to know if someone is going to fit in ones societ especially a utopian one. Now if they want the weak willed people that they can control like the children, that makes more sense. I just think watching people for a few weeks after a huge tragic even is not going to reveal the true person.

Why kill Nathan? Sure to disguise that he was the imposter but he could easily have just taken him away. The others obviously don't want to kill them all, other they should easily be able to do that they have the numbers and he could easily have lead them back to ambush the survivors.

Also, in the episode a few back we seen a bunch (half dozen, dozen) Others walking through the forest. Now if they have a utopian society why do they need to be walking around the forest like that. Do they control more then one bunker and need to move from one to another?

 

[Pants]

Why kill Nathan? Sure to disguise that he was the imposter but he could easily have just taken him away.

He wasn't a good person, quote Goodwin.

Also, in the episode a few back we seen a bunch (half dozen, dozen) Others walking through the forest.

They probably need to eat and hunt.
Or maybe they like creepy, silent walks in the jungle

Now if they have a utopian society why do they need to be walking around the forest like that. Do they control more then one bunker and need to move from one to another?

I'm not sure I buy the whole utopian society thing.
Seems to me that the Others are brainwashing their captives into whatever they believe in, which, at this point, I have no clue as to what it is.

 

[Banshee16]

That was Ethan.

I fell for the red herring....both Ethan and the guy Anna stuck in the prison claimed they were from Canada. I figured maybe it was a pattern or something.

Apparently not though.

Interesting that at the end, Goodwin commented that the other fellow wasn't a good man, hence he wasn't on the list.

Was Anna on the list? Nobody tried grabbing her until she interfered. Mr. Echo though, was apparently on the list..

Banshee

 

[Banshee16]

Also, the trunk from the Dharma bunker- glass eye, bible and radio.

And I hope everyone realized Bernard was talking to Boone.

Yeah, I got that. That dispels the whole theory that when Boone was on the radio, the guy on the other end was saying there were no survivors. Now we know what was really said..

Banshee

 

[Crothian]

He wasn't a good person, quote Goodwin.

So, why aren't they killing the rest of them? And how does Goodwin know this?

They probably need to eat and hunt.
Or maybe they like creepy, silent walks in the jungle

WEll, i wouldn't call it creepy..but why take kids on a hunting trip?

I'm not sure I buy the whole utopian society thing.
Seems to me that the Others are brainwashing their captives into whatever they believe in, which, at this point, I have no clue as to what it is.

What makes yuou think brainwashing?

 

[David Howery]

man... the tailies had it rough over those 40+ days.. way worse than the others. I kinda picked out Goodwin as an Other right at the start though, for the same reason Anna did... the guy came running out the jungle, obviously fresh as a daisy, when everyone else was staggering around half dead...

 

[Banshee16]

has that been confirmed? I don't have the DVDs but I imagine if someone has them and puts on the closed caption it could answer that.

I just listed to that part. There's a lot of background noise from the plane's hull groaning as it shifted, as well as static......but I think it did say "we're the survivors of Flight 815".....it could have been "there were no survivors", but the more I listen, I don't think so. There weren't enough syllables in the latter....when you listen to the DVD, the voice on the other end makes a very short statement that's covered up by the groaning of the plane. You hear "we" and then "the survivors of Flight 815", with whatever happens in between being obscured.

It wasn't Bernard's voice though. They wouldn't have cast the actor yet.

Banshee

 

[Banshee16]

man... the tailies had it rough over those 40+ days.. way worse than the others. I kinda picked out Goodwin as an Other right at the start though, for the same reason Anna did... the guy came running out the jungle, obviously fresh as a daisy, when everyone else was staggering around half dead...

I was thinking....what if Goodwin was making a point about them not taking the people from the tail end who weren't good?

What if they're not actively trying to kidnap Jack, Kate et al. because the survivors from the front-end aren't good? Look at them....it's like they've all got dirty secrets....murderers, thieves, questionable practices, interrogators, etc. The only survivor they tried to kidnap was Claire's baby, which goes back to the whole innocent thing.

As to Goodwin, didn't he have shoes and tags on his clothes though? Obviously, he could have switched them, but.....at this point it's moot, because he's been revealed to be an Other, but...

Banshee

 

[Crothian]

What if they're not actively trying to kidnap Jack, Kate et al. because the survivors from the front-end aren't good? Look at them....it's like they've all got dirty secrets....murderers, thieves, questionable practices, interrogators, etc. The only survivor they tried to kidnap was Claire's baby, which goes back to the whole innocent thing.

Ya, but who would the Others know that? And obviously the tailers were a mix of good and bad, it would make sense for the front plane people to also be a mix. So, shouldn't some of them have been taken?