LOST Wednesday 11/16/05 {Spoilers for this ep and previous eps ONLY!}

[Mustrum_Ridcully]

what I keep wondering is just how damn big is this island, and how did anyone keep it hidden from the world for so long. There aren't any undiscovered Pacific islands anymore, especially ones as big as this one. And why aren't there any natives on it? The only islands that are uninhabited are those that are too small to support agriculture.... and with modern shipping and air, even those are getting to have people on them....

Just because an island has been located somewhere doesn't mean that the whole world will know and identify it. How may known "known" countries could you locate on the globe - or better, the other way around: imagine picking a random spot on the globe and asking what country it is - There are many spots where you wouldn't have an idea...

Imagine someone claimed the rights to the island (how ever this may be possible). He could simply ignore it, or conduct experiments to create dinosaurs, whatever he wants - as long as his activities aren't known to the public, the island is meaningless for everyone, even if it is contained in maps ...

 

[Templeton580]

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[Hand of Evil]

Just because an island has been located somewhere doesn't mean that the whole world will know and identify it. How may known "known" countries could you locate on the globe - or better, the other way around: imagine picking a random spot on the globe and asking what country it is - There are many spots where you wouldn't have an idea...

Imagine someone claimed the rights to the island (how ever this may be possible). He could simply ignore it, or conduct experiments to create dinosaurs, whatever he wants - as long as his activities aren't known to the public, the island is meaningless for everyone, even if it is contained in maps ...

the Island is more than likely in international waters and away from shipping lanes, it could also have been a purchase/lease from a country, like France, or the natives. Once this is done, the island can be declaired protected. It is not so much getting to the island, it is knowning where it is and then getting there, the oceans are vast and even if the island is big you have to be within a distance to see it...(and get by its security systems)...plus you can use fear to keep people from it, aka the 'quartine', possible leppers, black plague, head hunters. Last year in the Tsunami, I was suprised to hear that some islands in the area were off-limits because the natives did not want contact and would attack people who came to the islands to check on them.

 

[fett527]

Hey, it's fun. I do it too. Walt on the milk carton, Jack walking by as Shannon hears about her dad's death, Dharma logo on the shark, mysterious radio transmissions explained a whole season later, Hurley on TV in Korea, even things you have to go online to find, like backwards recordings of Walt's voice so you can hear what he's saying.

But the actress who plays Shannon had publicly taken other acting jobs. The producers said after the episode aired that yes, she's leaving the show. But many people (not on this board, that I saw) refused to believe Shannon was really dead. The screen caps sure made it look like there was a mystery there, but those people who went back and watched their DVR recording of the show said, "Nope, it's very smoothly edited. She's holding the empty gun, lowers her arm, camera angle changes as the arm reaches her side." And yet some people refused to believe that Ana Lucia was the shooter. Even you, Fett, are still saying we'll find out what happens next episode. What? I know you missed it the first time, but they re-capped it last episode.

Anyway, that's just observation.

It's not a "problem" to speculate and pore over the details that the writers obviously worked hard to insert. But the writers have now publicly stated that not every little detail, not every little mystery, will be explained. I suspect we'll get a Big Reveal at some point, and there'll be enough for everyone to connect the dots. But there will still be those who complain (long and loudly) that not every dot was drawn into the resulting picture.

And even then, it's not a "problem," per se. People always have a right to their opinions. But those people who obsess over whether, for example, Bernard's answer of "No, we're the survivors of Oceanic Flight 815!" was really the same transmission that Boone received last season are, in my humble opinion, taking things one step too far.

Suspecting every single reveal of being another mystery is a set-up for disappointment. Sometimes glass eyes and Bibles really did belong to smugglers.

I understand the point, and I knew Shannon was shot by AL sometime after I had posted that I was convinced otherwise. When I go out to other sites to glean info I take the risk of running into spoilers and I found out things like the producers saying she was dead and

Spoiler

Ana being a cop

. I just didn't let on or post that because those were spoilers. Point is mysteries and specualtion are an integral part of this show and I will continue to dig into them and post speculations and theories that are at least believable.

Example of something ridiculous: Poster on another board swore up and down there was a Dharma logo on the beach where the tailies landed. Clearly it can be seen that a man was crawling around on the beach making the tracks in the sand. A few people thought this was significant and really kewl. I try to weed these things out and discuss more feasible and interesting material.

 

[Ukyo the undead]

Up until now, I'd assumed that Ethan had snuck into the Fuselagers camp sometime during the first day or two, when things were still somewhat chaotic. In a group that large it would be easy to plant someone in and have the rest be none the wiser. But after seeing tonight's episode, it sure looks like Goodwin (at least) was inserted almost instantly(...)

So there's two possible conclusions we could infer here.

1) The Others are ready to plant an infiltrator on literally a moment's notice, or

2) the Others knew the plane was going to crash.

Either way, creepy.

I thought that too.

What looks like is that the accidents leading people to that island is a very usual ocorrence, usual enough to make the main power group in the island (the others) realize that and develop a method to handle it.

So, maybe the others didnt know that a plane was going to crash at that moment, but know enough about the island "properties" to be prepared to a ocurrence like that.

 

[Ukyo the undead]

Another question is why the others have left the one group alone as long as it has, was this because they found out about Ethan or becuase the group was 'protected' by its location; the hatch/the button/the monster or something else.

Looks like the taillies crashed closer to the Others area of influence.

And the front section came up with a much more structured community than the taillies, with guns and with more people, hence making the Other´s 'harvest' harder to accomplish.

Maybe...

 

[Hand of Evil]

Looks like the taillies crashed closer to the Others area of influence.

And the front section came up with a much more structured community than the taillies, with guns and with more people, hence making the Other´s 'harvest' harder to accomplish.

Maybe...

I really don't know if that was the case, Ethan was with the group as soon as group crashed, same as the tail-enders mole, this makes appear that they were equal distance.

 

[Ukyo the undead]

I really don't know if that was the case, Ethan was with the group as soon as group crashed, same as the tail-enders mole, this makes appear that they were equal distance.

Are you sure? I thought that Ethan showed up on screen only 1 or 2 episodes before he became relevant to the plot. I dont remember him in the episode 1 (but I wasn´t looking either), what may mean that he entered the group at least a few hours after the crash, giving him plenty of time to prepare himself to do it.

If you remember him before, please tell me: it would confuse me a lot.