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fett527
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Crothian said:
Jin did not become abusive, but became to entrenched with his work. She was being ignored and was lonely. Then you see Jin coming home with the blood and as was mentioned he is obviously doing some violent work for her father. She decides she wants out and has an escape route set up by a friend at the airport. She decides she still loves Jin, can't go through with it and gets on the plane.
WizarDru
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Steverooo said:Yakuza is Japanese, not Korean. The Triads, maybe?
Sorry, the Triads are Chinese (as are the Tongs). The Korean gangs, afaik, don't have a specific name.
That said, I don't think that's who he's working for.
First, a quick summary of what happened in the flashbacks:
Jin, we discover, was once a humble waiter. Sun, on the other hand, was obviously born into a family of wealth and privlege. A classic scenario plays out, but Jin is young and ambitious, and we soon find he's managed to convince Sun's father to approve their marriage [since Jin refuses to elope]. However, the cost is that he will work for Sun's father, first as a management trainee for a year, then for a year at the factory. Sun is not happy at the turn of events, but he's doing it 'for us'.
Time passes, and while Sun and Jin's wealth increases, their relationship worsens. Jin is working long, late hours, and gets her a pet dog to keep her company, since he isn't around as often as he'd like. They become richer and richer, but their marriage has become hollow. Things go from bad to worse when Jin rushes in one evening, covered in blood. Sun, who had fallen asleep on the couch waiting for him, rushes to his side, afraid he's hurt. He's not...the blood is someone else's. When Jin demands to what exactly Jin does for her father, Sun angrily tells him he does "whatever your father tells me to do.....I do it for US."
It becomes clear the Jin has become someone else, someone who is willing to do anything to succeed. He's lost sight of the fact that in procuring a future and protecting his wife, he's neglected the present. He has become more restrictive, more demanding (perhaps more traditional?, in some ways). Sun decides she needs to get out and escape her marriage, both from Jin and from her father. Under the false pretense of an interior decorator, she makes arrangements to 'disappear', including taking lessons. Lessons, it later becomes clear, to speak English. However, when the time comes to leave her husband at the airport, she tearfully choses not to. The metaphor of a single flower returns, showing us that maybe the original Jin is still there, trapped but doing his best. She still loves him, and knows that everything he does, he does for her. Or at least, that's how I saw it...one could probably make a case for her being scared...but I don't think that's the case. And for the record, we never saw Sun abused, not once. Jin can be a jerk, but he's a jerk who loves his wife....I do think that she fears his rage, however.
Time passes, and while Sun and Jin's wealth increases, their relationship worsens. Jin is working long, late hours, and gets her a pet dog to keep her company, since he isn't around as often as he'd like. They become richer and richer, but their marriage has become hollow. Things go from bad to worse when Jin rushes in one evening, covered in blood. Sun, who had fallen asleep on the couch waiting for him, rushes to his side, afraid he's hurt. He's not...the blood is someone else's. When Jin demands to what exactly Jin does for her father, Sun angrily tells him he does "whatever your father tells me to do.....I do it for US."
It becomes clear the Jin has become someone else, someone who is willing to do anything to succeed. He's lost sight of the fact that in procuring a future and protecting his wife, he's neglected the present. He has become more restrictive, more demanding (perhaps more traditional?, in some ways). Sun decides she needs to get out and escape her marriage, both from Jin and from her father. Under the false pretense of an interior decorator, she makes arrangements to 'disappear', including taking lessons. Lessons, it later becomes clear, to speak English. However, when the time comes to leave her husband at the airport, she tearfully choses not to. The metaphor of a single flower returns, showing us that maybe the original Jin is still there, trapped but doing his best. She still loves him, and knows that everything he does, he does for her. Or at least, that's how I saw it...one could probably make a case for her being scared...but I don't think that's the case. And for the record, we never saw Sun abused, not once. Jin can be a jerk, but he's a jerk who loves his wife....I do think that she fears his rage, however.
Now then, about Sun's father: I'm pretty sure he's just a powerful business owner who has no scruples about breaking legs, as opposed to a crime-lord. Sun is clearly suprised that her father uses such tactics, and more suprised that Jin would be participating in it. Their relationship is defined by her father, who we never see. What we can deduce is that he's taken Jin under his wing, and is grooming him as his successor (clearly seeing potential in the ambitious Jin beyond his original position....I'm guessing Sun has no brothers).
As for speaking English, prior to this episode I suspected she might and was denied by Jin. Now we see that she could, but Jin didn't know about it. The greater question is, can Jin speak English....and if so, why hasn't he? He clearly understands it, based on the translations we've seen.
Now about the watch: Walt's dad found it on the beach two days after the crash...unbeknownst to him, it belonged to Jin, and was apparently a gift from his father (Sun wasn't entirely clear, here). It was a point of honor to Jin that he assumed that it had been stolen, not found. In a fit of anger, he attacked the dad. Clearly, he has become completely entrenched as seeing Sun's father as his own father figure and racism may certainly be a factor. Only time will tell.
Either way, another great episode that not only manages to reveal more about the characters (and plenty of suprises about them, IMHO), but also advanced the greater plot. The factionalizing has finally begun, which I expected earlier than this. The beachers versus the cavers is too simple an analysis, but I'm interested to see what happens from this point. Glad to see Charley getting to face his drug problem, and waiting to see how this develops.
Oh, and Locke is now officially my favorite character, in a show full of really good characters.
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Negative Zero
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at first brush, i thought the episode was a little lackluster, but the more i think about it, the more i like it. the revelations about Jin and Sun were right on time. at this point, they were the ones i was most curious about. i did catch the "have you been taking your lessons" comment, so the english didn't surprise me, but now i can't help wonder if that didn't refer to something else.
also, i agree with WizarDru, the episode clearly shows that Jin is not abusive. and also seems to do alot to define their relationshp with each other and Sun's father. although, the comment from the "decorator" that her father will do everything he can to find her, did seem to have an ominous ring to it. but that could be misdirection as well
~NegZ
also, i agree with WizarDru, the episode clearly shows that Jin is not abusive. and also seems to do alot to define their relationshp with each other and Sun's father. although, the comment from the "decorator" that her father will do everything he can to find her, did seem to have an ominous ring to it. but that could be misdirection as well
~NegZ
Sarigar
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So, who's taking care of Sun's dog, the interior decorator? I found that request a little weak. What was she supposed to do when she came back to Jin after Sun disappeared, say, "Hi, I'm the interior decorator and I want to take care of your dog since your wife is now missing."
Or, maybe the dog's on the island somewhere?
Or, maybe the dog's on the island somewhere?
Negative Zero
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i kinda got the impression that it was more of a comfort gesture than a real request. obviously, it wasn't a realistic expectation, it seemed more of a preoccupation to keep Sun from focusing on her difficult choice.
~NegZ
~NegZ
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