Magic Jar + Mage Armor (or any spell that affects the individual)

[Matafuego]

Hello everyone!!

Las time we played a question popped up...
A Wizard cast the Magic Jar spell taking posession of a Demon nearby.
The wizard had lots of spells "on him"
Mage Armor
Bull's Str
Bear's Endurance
Fox Cunning
Haste
And some more...

The question is, by the rules... what happens to these spells?

They enchant the body so they are left behind?
They enchant the soul so they are taken with the wizard? (new body is hasted, mage armored, etc...)}
Any combination??

Hope I was clear on my question.
Thanks a lot for your answers!

Lucas

 

[Aeson]

I think physical effects should stay with the body but mental could go with the caster.

 

[Matafuego]

I thought about that. But with some spells it's really dificult to determine if it is a mental or physical effect.
There should be guidelines for this on the spell but the're actually aren't.
Maybe I should check the errata.

 

[jgsugden]

The rules can't cover everything. They have to have limits. Do we need rules for how to handle a swallow crashing into a window? Do we need rules for how fast an arrow will float down river? Do we need rules to determine how many gold pieces can be eaten by a human? I'd say no, but each of these issues has popped up in a game that I was playing/running.

You have to be prepared to make rulings oin the fly for uncommon occurences. Your magic jar questions, though certainly more common than the above examples are not too common of an occurence.

IMHO, all spells should stay with the body. Even mental ones. If someone else uses your body, they may not be able to take advantage of all the spells, but they should stay with the body.

 

[Krelios]

The rules can't cover everything. They have to have limits. Do we need rules for how to handle a swallow crashing into a window? Do we need rules for how fast an arrow will float down river? Do we need rules to determine how many gold pieces can be eaten by a human? I'd say no, but each of these issues has popped up in a game that I was playing/running.

You have to be prepared to make rulings oin the fly for uncommon occurences. Your magic jar questions, though certainly more common than the above examples are not too common of an occurence.

IMHO, all spells should stay with the body. Even mental ones. If someone else uses your body, they may not be able to take advantage of all the spells, but they should stay with the body.

This is pretty much the way I feel about it to. Since the original target of the spells was a corporeal creature, those spells should not be able to switch targets because of magic jar. IMO, no spell can target a creature's "soul" or "spirit" or any other intangible aspect of their person unless is explicitly says it can. Otherwise, you could have spells that affected an illegal target (Enlarge Person on a Demon's body?), which would really make things wonky.

When in doubt, go with the simple answer; in this case, spells target the meat not the mind.

 

[TheAuldGrump]

This is pretty much the way I feel about it to. Since the original target of the spells was a corporeal creature, those spells should not be able to switch targets because of magic jar. IMO, no spell can target a creature's "soul" or "spirit" or any other intangible aspect of their person unless is explicitly says it can. Otherwise, you could have spells that affected an illegal target (Enlarge Person on a Demon's body?), which would really make things wonky.

When in doubt, go with the simple answer; in this case, spells target the meat not the mind.

That would be my interpretaion as well. KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid) is almost always the right way to go.

The Auld Grump

 

[Wonko the Sane]

Reminds me of a trick used by a lich IMC on his less disposable minions - magic jar into the minion's body, cast contingency (teleport), perhaps a chain contingency and whatever other neat spells he has. Then he goes back to his own body and sends the minions off to fight the party.

Gotta love high-level minotaur rogues that can blip out when it gets too hot

 

[dcollins]

The rules can't cover everything. They have to have limits. Do we need rules for how to handle a swallow crashing into a window? Do we need rules for how fast an arrow will float down river? Do we need rules to determine how many gold pieces can be eaten by a human? I'd say no, but each of these issues has popped up in a game that I was playing/running.

LOL and golf clap... best rhetorical flourish of the day!