Major Problems For 3rd Edition

[aliensex]

I'm writing a paper on this for my argument class.

Argument Class!? This is Insult Class you festering git, Argument Class is down the hall.

Man, I've never heard of an argument class. I soooooo wish we had that in my school!

 

[Olive]

Re: skills

each character would gain skill points for the three various realms depending upon class. Every character would have ranks in various knowledges and social skills (bluff, sense motive) that any experienced person should have. These types of skills would increase the role-playing possibilities because they would provide a more structured framework for non-combat conflict resolution.

joe b.

but thats what untrained skill checks are for. anyone witha wisdom of intelligence of 10 can still get a 20 on a roll and come up with general knowledge, of basic chances to notice things. it's only people who train in the other things that get the special rolls.

 

[jgbrowning]

Re: Re: skills

but thats what untrained skill checks are for. anyone witha wisdom of intelligence of 10 can still get a 20 on a roll and come up with general knowledge, of basic chances to notice things. it's only people who train in the other things that get the special rolls.

True, but many skills are trained only (like knowledges). Also many of the untrained skills are opposed roll checks, providing situations where certain classes have benefits over others that i just have a hard time justifying. Mostly listen, spot, diplomacy etc. the skills that mimic what every human being can do, and practices on an almost daily basis.

joe b.

 

[Dark Eternal]

"Broken"

by Sagiro...

{much inspired poetical madness}

...Fine.

Pass the d20.

I’ll play one more session.

the end

*gapes in awe*


...never seen that before... very impressive...

 

[barsoomcore]

I love you, Piratecat.

 

[Nail]

...never seen that before... very impressive...

Dr. Suess competition. It was in ENWorld a few months ago. There were quite a few, really amazing, very spectacular entries.

Sagiro's won, of course........

 

[Ranger REG]

Limitations on who gets Diplomacy or Swim as a class skill is an example of the stereotypes. Why should it be harder for a wizard or cleric to learn to swim than a rogue? I would have put skills like Climb, Swim, Diplomacy and maybe Ride on everyone's skill list. For me, the whole cross-class vs. class skill is a little silly. The cross-class skills rule is the one that usually most interferes with me creating the type of character I want.

To me, they didn't want to make the cross-class skills expensive, they want to make the relevant class skills affordable.

But the skills you mentioned are untrained, so anybody can use them. Only on a task that are above routine or average difficulty, you need to make a skill check to succeed (at rank 0 + skill's relevant ability modifier).

 

[Steverooo]

Sagiro

It was, wasn't it?

 

[Ridley's Cohort]

My main gripe is by sticking with the implicit convention that heroes start at first level, we get a lot of ugly multiclassing & frontloading issues.

 

[Angcuru]

I just think 2nd edition had a certain feel to it that 3rd is missing.

Another think is multi-class EXP penaties. make no sense to me. I can see a character having 2 classes with no penalty, but if you are to include the penalty, it should only begin with the 3rd and increase from there on. I don't like the idea of Racial Favored Classes, though, they should be removed.

When I DM you can have 2 classes no penalty, and the penalty starts at 3rd and onward. it only makes sense.