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Dausuul

Legend
More pics here. (Greyhaze is always good for miniature pics.)

Looking at the Heroslayer Hydra now, and... wow. Just wow. Must have.

The orc archer, rot grub swarm, nalfeshnee, crocodile, portal, chest, and scorpion are also high on my list. Dracolich and skeleton too. Looks like I better start socking aside a couple hundred bucks and dust off my Troll and Toad account...

Edit: Also the fomorian painbringer. And the huge wolf (I have lots of Medium and Large-sized wolves, but that thing is big enough to be a Fenris-style demon god wolf, and that's something I've gotta have.) And the roc...

Oh yeah. This is gonna be a good one.
 
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Heroslayer hydra, bebilith, will-o-the-wisp, brain in a jar, nalfeshnee, Mephistopheles, mind flayer noble, dragonborn elementalist, thri-kreen warrior, elder blue dragon...

DROOL :p
 



Zulithe

Explorer
truly an awesome set. It's a shame they cost so much though.

Any suggestions on where to order minis on the cheap? Is amazon the cheapest? They have these on pre-order for around $15 per booster I see, which is a decent discount... but even THEN when I imagine paying $15 for 6 pieces of plastic... argh.
 

Dausuul

Legend
truly an awesome set. It's a shame they cost so much though.

Any suggestions on where to order minis on the cheap? Is amazon the cheapest? They have these on pre-order for around $15 per booster I see, which is a decent discount... but even THEN when I imagine paying $15 for 6 pieces of plastic... argh.

Are you buying boosters or singles? For singles, which make up the vast bulk of my miniature purchases, I generally go with Troll and Toad. Excellent selection and very good prices. Boosters are purely impulse buys for me, so I get them at my FLGS and hardly ever buy more than one at a time.
 

Holy Bovine

First Post
This set looks awesome. Possibly the best since Underdark (one of my all time favourites). This may be the first set since Dragonqueen that I actually buy cases to try and get all the minis. The only ones I was less than happy with was the purple winged humanoid thing with a beak (looks silly and I have no idea what it is!) and the stone giant (only b/c I have more giants than I will ever need - I could field every giant in the Against the Giants modules - at the same time! :eek: )
 
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Oryan77

Adventurer
truly an awesome set. It's a shame they cost so much though.

Any suggestions on where to order minis on the cheap? Is amazon the cheapest? They have these on pre-order for around $15 per booster I see, which is a decent discount... but even THEN when I imagine paying $15 for 6 pieces of plastic... argh.

I sell singles also (link in my sig), although I'm low on stock since Troll & Toad keep buying my minis to resell on their own site. I can also sell cases and boosters to anyone that wants them. I haven't figured out what I will be selling them at yet, but I'll know closer to the release date. It'll definitely be cheaper than Amazon.

I don't normally sell boosters, but if anyone wants boosters rather than a whole case, I can add them to my site upon request. Not a problem.
 

JoeGKushner

First Post
So multiple humans, one common and another uncommon, at least, and one core race dragonborn and it appears rare.

Way to go WoTC! You keep listening to that fanbase when it comes to providing character options. Ugh. :rant:
 

TarionzCousin

Second Most Angelic Devil Ever
DROOL
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Fixed that for you, Morrissey.
 


Shazman

Banned
Banned
So multiple humans, one common and another uncommon, at least, and one core race dragonborn and it appears rare.

Way to go WoTC! You keep listening to that fanbase when it comes to providing character options. Ugh. :rant:

You mean to tell me that you actually thought that WotC would listen to what customers want? Surely you must be somewhat delusional. How long have people been clamoring for non-rare dragonborn., and yet over two years later, they are still nowhere to be found.
 
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Dice4Hire

First Post
So multiple humans, one common and another uncommon, at least, and one core race dragonborn and it appears rare.

Way to go WoTC! You keep listening to that fanbase when it comes to providing character options. Ugh. :rant:

It is a rare gamer that plays dragonborn. Those who play humans, elves and dwarves are more common.

It is really pretty simple, if you look at it that way.
 

MrMyth

First Post
You mean to tell me that you actually thought that WotC would listen to what customers want? Surely you must be somewhat delusional.

Yeah, I think it pretty clear that it is always in WotC's best interest to avoid selling customers what they want.

Or, alternatively, that's crazy talk. And, just possibly, while many people might want more dragonborn, there is more demand for general human figs.

I don't know that for sure. On the other hand, I've got lots of humans and a handful of dragonborn, but in most games, I'm still more likely to make better use of more humans. Maybe that's what their market research shows. Maybe they are just throwing darts at a board and randomly picking stuff out! It doesn't seem likely, though.

Remember - WotC can never satisfy every customer. So when a customer comes along who is disatisfied, it doesn't so much mean they aren't listening to you, as much as that they are listening to some else.
 

Dausuul

Legend
Remember - WotC can never satisfy every customer. So when a customer comes along who is disatisfied, it doesn't so much mean they aren't listening to you, as much as that they are listening to some else.

Bingo.

Recall first of all that the Player's Handbook Heroes line was canceled. WotC gave it a try and (I'm fairly sure) concluded that the market for PC minis is very limited. One DM can make good use of hundreds or even thousands of monster minis, but an entire gaming group may need only 4-6 PC minis for the whole length of a campaign. It's not that you can't make money selling PC minis, but they're not amenable to the DDM bulk-sales formula.

So PC minis--all PC minis--are a niche item. DDM is aimed squarely at the Dungeon Master. The designers squeeze in PC minis where they can, but the big focus is always on the monsters. And dragonborn minis (along with goliaths, shardminds, genasi, and the rest of the wacky race brigade) are a niche within a niche.

Me, I've got very little use for the danged things. I'd be somewhat annoyed to see the wacky race brigade eating up a lot of Common/Uncommon slots that could have gone to filling in gaps in my monster lineup. I want those slots devoted to grunt skeletons, orcs, and the like--things that I'm going to need a lot of and want to be able to get for cheap.

The secondary market exists for a reason. If you want a dragonborn mini, you can easily get one online from Oryan77 or Troll and Toad or something. It may cost a little more than you'd like, but you're shelling out that $6 to $8 so your DM doesn't have to blow hundreds on mooks*.

[size=-2]*Which is not to say your DM won't blow hundreds on mooks anyway... but she'll get a lot more for her money.[/size]
 
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AngryMojo

First Post
You mean to tell me that you actually thought that WotC would listen to what customers want? Surely you must be somewhat delusional. How long have people been clamoring for non-rare dragonborn., and yet over two years later, they are still nowhere to be found.

There was a fixed-rarity dragonborn in both the first and second PHB heroes run.

Female Dragonborn Rogue #2/18 D&D PHB Heroes Series 1 - Player\'s Handbook Heroes Series 1 - D&D Miniatures - Collectible Miniatures Games
Male Dragonborn Warlord #10/18 D&D PHB Heroes Series 2 - Player's Handbook Heroes Series 2 - D&D Miniatures - Collectible Miniatures Games
 

Herschel

Adventurer
RPG-only people were screaming to the high heavens that there were too many/even any PC-type minis in sets while the skirmish game was still active.

Then they split them out in to PHB series PC minis and monsters and the PHB series apparently undersold.

And now people are complaining there aren't enough PC minis?

Dragonborn as rares are fine. There's 17 Dragonborn-type minis already (a few uncommon even) and more on the way. You can pick them up relatively cheap from good resellers.
 

JoeGKushner

First Post
Dragonborn are not a 'whacky' race. They are core. In terms of actual dragonborn, of those two nonrandom, one was a female rogue and the other a repaint. Hardly the ideal cadidates to base future core race minis on.
 

AngryMojo

First Post
Dragonborn are not a 'whacky' race. They are core. In terms of actual dragonborn, of those two nonrandom, one was a female rogue and the other a repaint. Hardly the ideal cadidates to base future core race minis on.

People wanted them, WotC gave them non-rare dragonborn minis. Even if one is a reprint, it still makes the figure available to the audience. I'd love to see more dragonborn made, if for no other reason than so I can flesh out my evil dragonborn encounters. For all the whining and complaining and begging that's been going on for dragonborn minis, they didn't sell when available.
 

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