Manyshot and Frost Bow

[Umklapp]

@Umklapp:
Umklapp reasons that, since there is only one attack roll, there is only one successfull hit.
I think that, although only one attack roll is made, each arrow fired is a successfull hit.

I could not have explained it better myself I associate hits with successful attack rolls and damages with damage rolls. I do not see many other ways to define hits (if you associate them with damages or "sources of damage" then things get complicated in case of regeneration, damage reduction, etc)

 

[Umklapp]

I get that the bow bestows the Frost magical ability to its ammunition, i.e. the two arrows. Each arrow then deals the 1d6 magical damage when it hits the target. The fact that the two arrows share the same ToHit roll to verify if they hit should have no influence on this mechanism...

elleon

The other possibility is that the bow add 1d6 to its projectiles every time IT hits and since there is only one attack roll... Besides, I would find odd if you could increase the magical power of your bow by using a feat that is neither magical nor related specifically to that bow

 

[elleon]

The other possibility is that the bow add 1d6 to its projectiles every time IT hits and since there is only one attack roll... Besides, I would find odd if you could increase the magical power of your bow by using a feat that is neither magical nor related specifically to that bow

On the other hand, if only 1d6 of damage is bestowed, on which of the two arrows would you bestow it? Only one of them (in this case, which one?) or would it be evenly spread over the two arrows?

This is relevant in case the target has the Deflect Arrows feat: the target would deflect one of the arrows and the other would hit. How much Frost damage would be dealt in this case?

elleon

 

[Thatwackyned]

On the other hand, if only 1d6 of damage is bestowed, on which of the two arrows would you bestow it? Only one of them (in this case, which one?) or would it be evenly spread over the two arrows?

This is relevant in case the target has the Deflect Arrows feat: the target would deflect one of the arrows and the other would hit. How much Frost damage would be dealt in this case?

elleon

DEFLECT ARROWS [GENERAL]

Prerequisites: Dex 13, Improved Unarmed Strike.

Benefit: You must have at least one hand free (holding nothing) to use this feat. Once per round when you would normally be hit with a ranged weapon, you may deflect it so that you take no damage from it. You must be aware of the attack and not flatfooted.
Attempting to deflect a ranged weapon doesn’t count as an action. Unusually massive ranged weapons and ranged attacks generated by spell effects can’t be deflected.
Special: A monk may select Deflect Arrows as a bonus feat at 2nd level, even if she does not meet the prerequisites. A fighter may select Deflect Arrows as one of his fighter bonus feats.


If we are sticking with the "ONE HIT", Once per round when you would normally be hit with a ranged weapon. With DEFLECT ARROWS you can deflect both arrows.

 

[Herzog]

thats.....consistent.

but, nevertheless, IMO, incorrect

 

[Umklapp]

If we are sticking with the "ONE HIT", Once per round when you would normally be hit with a ranged weapon. With DEFLECT ARROWS you can deflect both arrows.

I have not considered this, but... why not? These are arrows that fly together and could be both deflected with just one action.

 

[Darklone]

Well... since noone here would probably argue the point that against DR Manyshot salvos do count as several hits (otherwise no archer would ever have a problem again with DR monsters), I vote for +1d6 for every arrow.

 

[Umklapp]

Well... since noone here would probably argue the point that against DR Manyshot salvos do count as several hits (otherwise no archer would ever have a problem again with DR monsters), I vote for +1d6 for every arrow.

DR and other resistances are explictly mentioned in Manyshot description as applying to each arrow. However, IMO, this vary fact supports my interpretation that otherwise the Manyshot salvo should be regarded as a single shot.

 

[Dragonwriter]

DR and other resistances are explictly mentioned in Manyshot description as applying to each arrow. However, IMO, this vary fact supports my interpretation that otherwise the Manyshot salvo should be regarded as a single shot.

How do you come to this conclusion? If each arrow counts as a different damaging force, how do you jutify something doing its bonus damage from an enhancement like Frost or Flaming only once for the volley?

If Manyshot is considered a single shot because of its one attack roll, no archer would bother with damage boosting enchantments. There goes a major source of damage, making it harder for the entire party.

 

[Herzog]

what would you rule when the frost ability was placed on the arrows?

how about one arrow with frost, the other with flame?