D&D (2024) Martial/Caster fix.

[Guest 7037866]

The Simulacrum can't cast spells of 7th level or higher. No Wish, no Simulacrum.

I'm down with that as well. It would really be a discussion to have with the next player who gets to the point it can come up.

 

[ECMO3]

You mean this:
If you cast this spell again, any simulacrum you created with this spell is instantly destroyed.

Not a problem. You (the Wizard) is not casting it again... your simulacrum is using wish to duplicate the spell to create another simulacrum of you. Ad naseum...

Well the Simulacrum spell states the Simulacrum can't cast this spell, which I would interpret to mean you can't cast it through Wish either.

 

[Chaltab]

The thing about Simulacrum is that with a casting time of 12 Hours it really should impart a level of exhaustion. Same with Hallow.

 

[GrimCo]

I just re read simulacrum. Components are interesting. Snow or ice in quantities enough to make copy of the person. For average person, that's 70-100 liters worth of ice/snow that needs to stay frozen during 12 hours it takes for casting of the spell. Even Cone of cold can't do it ( creature killed with cone turns to ice, but it starts to thaw if temp is above 0, and recasting of cone has no effect). So, unless your wizard is doing it in the very cold place with lots of ice and snow, tough luck.

 

[Chaltab]

I was thinking about the logistics of that for an enemy in my campaign who was planning to make a simulacrum of a party ally. I concluded that she would basically need a walk-in freezer and a parka to make it work.

 

[Guest 7037866]

Well the Simulacrum spell states the Simulacrum can't cast this spell, which I would interpret to mean you can't cast it through Wish either.

You don't cast it through wish, you duplicate it. All the wording in simulacrum does is prevent the SIM from duplicating you, and later SIM from duplicating you through further castings of simulacrum.

Of course, the only way this could happen (without that caveat of the spell) is to use a scroll or such to cast it, then you still have your 7th-level slot, and the SIM would also have a 7th-level slot... which it could use to make a duplicate of you, and so forth. Otherwise, you'd have to be 20th level and wish works more easily then.

All this could have been avoided with the simple adendum to the spell: If a simulacrum of the target creature already exists, the spell automatically fails.

Done and done.

 

[mellored]

Well the Simulacrum spell states the Simulacrum can't cast this spell, which I would interpret to mean you can't cast it through Wish either.

Per wish, you don't need to meet any requirements. Though I expect that is the intention.

Still, simulacrum + Wish + downtime = 10,000 GP per day and resistance to all damage, and a 90% of a martials damage.

Way too powerful even without an infinite army.

 

[Corinnguard]

I think someone here mentioned Book of 9 Swords; A5E's martial maneuvers are basically that.. except I don't think they give up much damage potential. It's more a straight-up buff :'D
But it's not WotC 5e, I imagine folk want the change there.

I brought up A5e's Combat Traditions after someone else on the thread brought up the Book of 9 Swords. Like 5.5e's Weapon Masteries, A5e's Combat Traditions are an attempt to deal with the martial/caster gap by giving the martial classes something extra to do. Each tradition is composed of 15 combat maneuvers that basically are the martial equivalent of spells.

True, it's not WoTC 5e. A5e is a 5e-adjacent RPG that was built on top of 5e's chassis. And for some, it's the change they were looking for.

 

[Distracted DM]

I just re read simulacrum. Components are interesting. Snow or ice in quantities enough to make copy of the person. For average person, that's 70-100 liters worth of ice/snow that needs to stay frozen during 12 hours it takes for casting of the spell. Even Cone of cold can't do it ( creature killed with cone turns to ice, but it starts to thaw if temp is above 0, and recasting of cone has no effect). So, unless your wizard is doing it in the very cold place with lots of ice and snow, tough luck.

What's weird is that the snow/ice aren't actually listed under the spell's components... I was GOING to say "oh hey, aren't spell components without a $ cost covered by a spell focus" buuut it seems like the snow/ice is required, but not listed as said spell component. So... yeah. I guess you need it! Ofc it's a 7th level spell, so we're talking Teleport, but yeah.. it's an extra hitch in ye gitalong.

 

[Chaltab]

What's weird is that the snow/ice aren't actually listed under the spell's components... I was GOING to say "oh hey, aren't spell components without a $ cost covered by a spell focus" buuut it seems like the snow/ice is required, but not listed as said spell component. So... yeah. I guess you need it! Ofc it's a 7th level spell, so we're talking Teleport, but yeah.. it's an extra hitch in ye gitalong.

It's listed as a component in the 2014 version