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Ashrym

Hero
My understanding was publishing was being considered to be shut down and licenced out but movies, TV, and merchandizing would not because those are profitable. The IP is valuable.

Many of the arricles are clickbait the doesn't represent the whole story.

I'm more interested in Dan Didio's termination and what the upcoming direction will be.

Also, Jim Lee indicated DC was not likely to be sold.

 

Legatus_Legionis

< BLAH HA Ha ha >
Don't know if 5G (or the fifth generation reboot) is going to work.

I heard that if that fails, DC publishing would be just doing its back catalogue (omnibus) in printed. Any new storied would be e-comics.

After all, there is over 80 years of stories/villains AT&T can use for tv and film. They don't need DC publishing comics anymore.

And if the rumours of what Dan Didio wanted to do in 5G is true, then it is indeed the end of DC publishing as we know it. The main line of titles would be drastically alters, even worse than in the "New 52".

Barry Allen Flash is gone.
Bruce Wayne Batman is gone.
Clark Kent Superman is gone.
Hal Gordan Green Lantern is gone.
Diana Prince Wonder Woman is gone.

It is an Else World gone super crazy!

Instead of honouring the past, they want to destroy it.
Create new characters, not killing the old.
 

Zardnaar

Legend
Don't know if 5G (or the fifth generation reboot) is going to work.

I heard that if that fails, DC publishing would be just doing its back catalogue (omnibus) in printed. Any new storied would be e-comics.

After all, there is over 80 years of stories/villains AT&T can use for tv and film. They don't need DC publishing comics anymore.

And if the rumours of what Dan Didio wanted to do in 5G is true, then it is indeed the end of DC publishing as we know it. The main line of titles would be drastically alters, even worse than in the "New 52".

Barry Allen Flash is gone.
Bruce Wayne Batman is gone.
Clark Kent Superman is gone.
Hal Gordan Green Lantern is gone.
Diana Prince Wonder Woman is gone.

It is an Else World gone super crazy!

Instead of honouring the past, they want to destroy it.
Create new characters, not killing the old.
That would be Moronic. DC comics don't interest me at all but I suppose I'm a casual Batman fan. Casual meaning I liked the Tim Burton ones and Dark Knight Trilogy.

But yeah Batman is Bruce Wayne, Superman is Clark Kent and Dianna is Wonder Women.

Replacing Batman maybe, stupid idea but the other 2 would be difficult.
 

I have searched news and I have readen something about 5G will not be a reboot.

I remember the origin of the group "Infinity Inc" was a "second generation" from a parallel world, but after they did a brutal retcon.

We can agree DC will not be sold to Marvel, and this wouldn't like a licencing agreemet if they can't use new characters, or only Time Warner can make an animated adaptation based in some of those new stories.

If AT&T wanted to buy stock exchange packages it would rather to be secret to avoid the price increase.

My own suggestion is for the future "secret crisis" event is to create a new "elseworld", a new universe where DC and Marvel characters are together, but the planet is totally different (continents, nations, History). After the event this "pocket universe" would become public domain (but the main characters from the original comics) to be used for fan-fiction by the fandom.
 

Ashrym

Hero
That would be Moronic. DC comics don't interest me at all but I suppose I'm a casual Batman fan. Casual meaning I liked the Tim Burton ones and Dark Knight Trilogy.

But yeah Batman is Bruce Wayne, Superman is Clark Kent and Dianna is Wonder Women.

Replacing Batman maybe, stupid idea but the other 2 would be difficult.
That might have been part of the issue. Didio was pushing for his "5G" soft reboot while Tinion wanted it left out of his writing. it sounded like there was some conflict going on. Changing comics causes issues tied up in other media and merchandising as well.

I have searched news and I have readen something about 5G will not be a reboot.

I remember the origin of the group "Infinity Inc" was a "second generation" from a parallel world, but after they did a brutal retcon.

We can agree DC will not be sold to Marvel, and this wouldn't like a licencing agreemet if they can't use new characters, or only Time Warner can make an animated adaptation based in some of those new stories.

If AT&T wanted to buy stock exchange packages it would rather to be secret to avoid the price increase.

My own suggestion is for the future "secret crisis" event is to create a new "elseworld", a new universe where DC and Marvel characters are together, but the planet is totally different (continents, nations, History). After the event this "pocket universe" would become public domain (but the main characters from the original comics) to be used for fan-fiction by the fandom.
More like the Young Justice cartoon, I think. Aqualad is getting set up to replace Aquaman, for example. Rebirth wasn't supposed to be a reboot either but Manhattan altered reality a lot in the recent Doomsday Clock reboot and Perpetua appears to have reset most of reality (which also seems to have been ignored?) in the Justice League comics at the end of Doomwar. I'm not yet that clear on that part.

One of the rumors is that Batman is being replaced while Bruce Wayne steps down. This has been done multiple times in the past such when his back was broken (replaced by Azrael), when Darkseid sanctioned him (replaced by Dick Grayson), after he lost his memory and Jim Gordon replaced him, or the future with Terry McGinnis. It inevitably leads back to Bruce Wayne.

Didio's reasoning behind the changes was to create an entry point for new readers but I think I would like to see some statistics to back up that claim.
 

The hook for the new readers are the media titles: toys, videogames, cartoons, movies and teleseries. But today superheroes titles are too mature or too childish. And too powerful superheroes are as boring as those perfection Mary Sue from the fan-fiction.

And in the videogames the coherence with the continuity has to be sacrificied for the gameplay. If you play with Superman you can be defeated by Catwoman.
 

Zardnaar

Legend
The hook for the new readers are the media titles: toys, videogames, cartoons, movies and teleseries. But today superheroes titles are too mature or too childish. And too powerful superheroes are as boring as those perfection Mary Sue from the fan-fiction.

And in the videogames the coherence with the continuity has to be sacrificied for the gameplay. If you play with Superman you can be defeated by Catwoman.
I've never liked Superman that much. Two red, white and blue, to over the top, to goody two shoes, to boring. Also liked the 90s Blade movies.

Spiderman eh take it or leave it.
 

Legatus_Legionis

< BLAH HA Ha ha >
That might have been part of the issue. Didio was pushing for his "5G" soft reboot while Tinion wanted it left out of his writing. it sounded like there was some conflict going on. Changing comics causes issues tied up in other media and merchandising as well.
When The New 52 came out, the Batman titles were left unchanged, while all the others were effective.

And having Superman in jeans? Who the F thought that would be a success! ? !

More like the Young Justice cartoon, I think. Aqualad is getting set up to replace Aquaman, for example. Rebirth wasn't supposed to be a reboot either but Manhattan altered reality a lot in the recent Doomsday Clock reboot and Perpetua appears to have reset most of reality (which also seems to have been ignored?) in the Justice League comics at the end of Doomwar. I'm not yet that clear on that part.
Rebirth was to reset things back to what the actual buying comic books fans wanted.

Doomsday Clock fixed some of the problems rebirth let happen.

Perpetua were a possible way of leading into 5G.

That story arc is still ongoing. Issue 39 had good defeated. The stories in issue 40 and beyond is their last ditched effort to undo earth picking evil over good. Quintessence saving the Justice League and giving them the choice of accepting defeat or going thru a door to...

One of the rumors is that Batman is being replaced while Bruce Wayne steps down. This has been done multiple times in the past such when his back was broken (replaced by Azrael), when Darkseid sanctioned him (replaced by Dick Grayson), after he lost his memory and Jim Gordon replaced him, or the future with Terry McGinnis. It inevitably leads back to Bruce Wayne.
Lucius Fox, president of Wayne Enterprises according to one rumour, while his son Luke (aka Batwing) would take the Mantle of the Bat.

I really enjoyed when Dick and Damian were the dynamic dual.
I don't think most fans are going to accept a Mr.Fox as the Batman.

Didio's reasoning behind the changes was to create an entry point for new readers but I think I would like to see some statistics to back up that claim.
Aquaman is on series 6
Batman is on series 3
Many Bat-titles have also been created/ended;
Batman Eternal, Batman & Robin Eternal, Legends of the Dark Knight, Shadow of the Bat, Gotham Knights.
Batgirl is on series 5
Birds of Prey has had 4 series
Catwoman is on series 5
Harley Quinn is on series 3
Nightwing is on series 3
Robin had 3 series
The Flash is on series 5
Green Arrow is on series 5
Green Lantern is on series 6
Justice League is on series 4
Superboy had 6 series
Supergirl is on series 5
Superman is on series 5
Wonder Woman is on series 5

That means every one of those series had an issue #1.

Seeing new fans overcome with the number of back issues is NOT the problem.

Ending a series and starting a new series has not solved the "new readers" excuse.

The fans base is getting older.
Younger fans are not into buying comics, period.

Why buy a $4.00 comic book when for $4.00 you can watch a full season of the animated version of the series with an online subscription.

Dan IMO only wanted to re-imagine the DCU in his image.

It has not worked before, nor the time before that nor the time Marvel tried many years ago.

Just make the best dam superhero stories you can make. Saying damn to your current fans in the hopes you get enough new fans to make up the difference is NOT good business.
 

GreyLord

Hero
When The New 52 came out, the Batman titles were left unchanged, while all the others were effective.
Not exactly. I found the New 52 a good point to jump off of Batman comics due to the changes.

Before it, Dick Grayson was Batman. Bruce was going to allow him to stay Batman, at least in Gotham City. Bruce also was going to have other individuals act in the role of Batman in other cities via Batman Inc. where they would assume the role of Batman. Bruce would oversee all of it as the Primary Batman.

I actually liked the idea. It opened the door for many other comicbooks should they have allowed it.

Instead, they changed it so Dick Grayson became Nightwing again and did not stay Batman, and Bruce became Batman over Gotham once more. Also, it was only like (5 years I think) since the beginning, rather than the longer time period prior to the New 52.

Haven't kept up with Batman since except via the animated films. It's gotten silly from what I've seen from Bad Blood. Catwoman pregnant is even sillier.

I think Didio created spurts of great sales for brief moments with his constant 'events' and reboots, but ultimately with all these things got away from the core of what the superheroes really were and instead ultimately lost more over time than they actually gained in readership.
 

Do you know the expression "jumping the shark"? I am afair this is happening when we see an abuse of radical changes.

Today the superheroes are very famous. In Spain Batman was practically unknown (but among comics fans) among the main public until the first Tim Burton's movie. And some marvel characters famous only thanks from 60's children cartoons. These are good years for the comic industry, but not for the paper-printed superheroes comics. Not only DC but also Marvel is making more money with the merchadicing.

The future of the superheroe franchises are linked with the media, cartoons and action pictures, but also the videogames, and too powerful superhumans aren't easy to be adapted, worse if we want crossovers with different power levels.

* Really I would like a Marvel vs DC tabletop role-playing compatible with D&D, altought characters have to be nerfed when they are too powerful (sorry Superman and Hulk).
 

Sorry for this little necromancy but I would like to ask some question.

I have read about Apple Inc could buy Disney, at least somebody has adviced this is the best time to do it. Apple Inc has got good relations with Disney, but also with AT&T, owners of Time Warner/DC Enternaiment.
 

Zardnaar

Legend
Sorry for this little necromancy but I would like to ask some question.

I have read about Apple Inc could buy Disney, at least somebody has adviced this is the best time to do it. Apple Inc has got good relations with Disney, but also with AT&T, owners of Time Warner/DC Enternaiment.
Probably not. Apple can't really afford it and I don't think to many people are going to want to spend billions right now.

If they wait a bit Disney is gonna be a lot cheaper.

Probably won't be a lot of iPhone sales in the near future.
 

I have read some webs and some people want a new DC-Marvel crossover. And my opinion is this may be possible.

My suggestion is to create a new patchwork world, mixing the battleworld from the last Secret War event and the Telos/Blood Moon from the DC Event Convergence. And this world used as setting for a future TTRPG, at least by the fandom. This patchwork world would have got different "bubles" or kingdoms, one for be used by DC, other by Marvel, other by Hasbro (to sell toys based in the crossover event... and also an own TTRPG), and crossovers with 3PPs, for example videogames studios or manga-anime characters.
 

Legatus_Legionis

< BLAH HA Ha ha >
They already did something close to that back in 1996, did they not?

DC versus Marvel Comics

Then they had those re-imaginings of characters:

Amalgam Comics

I think there was one more.

So I think it might be time for another.

But with what is going one in comics and in movies right now, I don't think it would be the best time to colaborate.
 

MoonSong

Rules-lawyering drama queen but not a munchkin
But with what is going one in comics and in movies right now, I don't think it would be the best time to colaborate.
Also, the industry is in complete hold. Diamond is a keystone of comic distribution, and from recent news they not only are closed for the quarantine, they have announced a payment plan for what they currently owe to publishers -and that sounds more like doing a bankruptcy on their own terms than a plan for a comeback-. No word on how many stores will survive or if Diamond itself will make it to the other side.

I'm hoping they do, but if that is not the case, then it is Comixology, Drive thru and Kickstarter for the foresable future.
 


Legatus_Legionis

< BLAH HA Ha ha >
I heard they are going to be using two comic book stores as their distributors.

DC Comics New Distributors

Midtown Comics
DCBS

And according to your link @MoonSong of the dozen of comicbook operators in my area, only ONE will be getting these shipments.

I don't know if it is because their list is not complete, or if it is, is it because the other stores could not/would not agree to whatever terms they were given.

After surveying over 2,000 North American stores
Did they offer it to all, or did they exclude some?

I don't know.
 

MoonSong

Rules-lawyering drama queen but not a munchkin
Did they offer it to all, or did they exclude some?

I don't know.
At least you have access to one store. In my whole country there's only one store -ok, they have about five stores spread across the country, but they are a single business- with access to Diamond to begin with, and they haven't announced a thing. It's possible they won't have any access to new comics until Diamond is back.

I'm surprised there hasn't been any reactions from other publishers.
 

Legatus_Legionis

< BLAH HA Ha ha >
...
I'm surprised there hasn't been any reactions from other publishers.
I think they are in the same position as us.

Now that they got the news, I guess they have to have their lawyers talk to those two entities about terms, etc.

Maybe in the nest few days we might get something more.
 

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