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Matrix 4 (Spoilers)

GMMichael

Guide of Modos
. . .The "bot swarm" just didn't feel menacing like past agents did. I missed logging into the Matrix being a risky proposition, it just felt tame in this film. Which I get isnt what they were going for. I didn't mind most of the writing, but if they were turning the one into the two, I wish we got more from Trinity's perspective in the movie.
I read that solving problems with guns is something they wanted to step away from, so Neo and Trinity spend the swarm scene fleeing instead of shooting. The dive-bombing scene was a little hair-raising, and reminds me of the line, "most people will risk their lives to protect (the Matrix)" (fuzzy memory reference).

Trinity-perspective would have been nice, yes. But...I don't think the movie needed a hiring-the-babysitter scene.

Kudos to Carrot Top for making the list!

Also, what kind of mother is Trinity? Your daughter's arm is broken and you...don't believe it? That just wasn't believable at all, or that she'd shrug off a full life of family and kids because Keanu Reeves gave her his Woah Eyes.
Are you thinking of Joey Lawrence?

I know someone who would (has?) shrug off her life of family and kids for the One. Two someones, actually. It's not uncommon, and they didn't even have a nagging feeling that they were once free from the Matrix, like Tiff.

Also, I was under the mistaken impression that Trinity was re-made into the One. My understanding is that they are the Two, or Two-as-One.
Neo + Trinity = the Four, I think 🤓 Maybe they have two kids in Matrix 5? Note that Neo wasn't flying or jumping into sentients this time around. I'm going with Trinity as the new anomaly, not Neo.

Anyhow, I was just left with a sense of...what now?
That part might have been intentional.

By the way, "we're going to remake the Matrix." Does that imply that all the humans in pods can just stay there, and enjoy the Matrix more? What happened to freeing them?
 

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payn

Legend
I read that solving problems with guns is something they wanted to step away from, so Neo and Trinity spend the swarm scene fleeing instead of shooting. The dive-bombing scene was a little hair-raising, and reminds me of the line, "most people will risk their lives to protect (the Matrix)" (fuzzy memory reference).
I never saw guns as problem solvers in the past. If anything, they just caused a diversion to allow you to get away. Im down with them moving away at any rate, but its strange since there is still a lot of gun play in this movie.

I wish I could say the dive bombing was hair raising, but it wasn't. I don't know it just fell flat, like all the action in this film. Ultimately, it just felt unnecessary and shot in an amateur 90s television way.
Trinity-perspective would have been nice, yes. But...I don't think the movie needed a hiring-the-babysitter scene.
Right, it was too busy delivering pointless gunplay scenes instead.
 

Mercurius

Legend
I respect that Matrix 3 is not a great movie.... but you really think this movie is better than 2? Matrix 2 is honestly a pretty good sequel, it has its lumps but its actually quite solid in many ways.

I feel that too often that Matrix 2 gets wrapped in with 3. Three is a bad movie; two is not.

I actually didn't rank them comparatively, and was just saying that 4 was both not as bad and not as good. Meaning, lower highs and higher lows.

I should probably re-watch 2 and 3. I saw them in the theater when they came out, and then again on video a couple years later, but not for a decade plus.
Are you thinking of Joey Lawrence?
Hah, I forgot about him.
I know someone who would (has?) shrug off her life of family and kids for the One. Two someones, actually. It's not uncommon, and they didn't even have a nagging feeling that they were once free from the Matrix, like Tiff.
That sounds like a story. Care to elaborate?

I mean, I know that lots of folks leave their kids, and some even for spiritual reasons. But that doesn't make it an honorable or loving thing.
Neo + Trinity = the Four, I think 🤓 Maybe they have two kids in Matrix 5? Note that Neo wasn't flying or jumping into sentients this time around. I'm going with Trinity as the new anomaly, not Neo.


That part might have been intentional.

By the way, "we're going to remake the Matrix." Does that imply that all the humans in pods can just stay there, and enjoy the Matrix more? What happened to freeing them?
One thing that I was hoping they'd play with is that Io was another level of the Matrix, that the "friendship" with the machines was actually a con and maybe Niobe knows but sold out to prevent endless war.
 

GMMichael

Guide of Modos
That sounds like a story. Care to elaborate?
Two women who waited until the kids hit about 18 to end the marriage. Not really story worthy... but Trinity did point out that she felt, at times, that her assigned role from society was to be a house mom. Given who she actually is, there was probably a seed of resentment growing for a long time.
One thing that I was hoping they'd play with is that Io was another level of the Matrix, that the "friendship" with the machines was actually a con and maybe Niobe knows but sold out to prevent endless war.
Niobe did sell out, as Bugs points out. Niobe would rather grow strawberries than save copper tops, though she sees it differently. And Io did become a prison for Neo, briefly, like the Matrix. It seems your wish was granted!
 

GreyLord

Legend
I'll be the odd one out and say I LOVED Matrix 2 and 3.

Matrix 1 had a stronger ending overall and would have a better ending overall if they never made the sequels...so, overall #1 rocks and makes more sense without the sequels anyways.

But, I still love the sequels as well. They detract the ending of #1, but if you can overlook that...I think they rock pretty hard. I even love #3.

Of course, I seem to love almost everything that the Wachowski's do (the only one that I haven't outright loved thus far has been Cloud Atlas, but I found it at least intellectually stimulating to a point).

The best movie outside the Matrix that they made though is one not many really think of today, but I thought they did an outstanding job of remaking but at the same time reinventing it...Speed Racer. Didn't really care for the TV series...but I absolutely adore the movie they made.
 

Vael

Hero
I quite liked it. It was never going to surpass the original, but as a meta commentary and as an homage to the original with some new stuff, I enjoyed it.

I'll admit, as a big Sens8 fan, seeing half the cast pop up was quite rewarding and a quick way for me to root for their survival in the final sequences. Which ... weren't as good, I found the action too chaotic, the OG trilogy was a lot more poetic and precise.

The major flaw, for me, was that if this was all about Trinity's choice ... we needed to see her life as Tiffany in the Matrix. Because it was all about Neo, she was just a prize to be won and that isn't great.

I did like Io and seeing humans and machines on the same side, that part was cool. I would love more time with Bugs' crew.
 


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