Matrix - a new theory?

[Welverin]

not if there have been 6 other matrix versions, with 6 other neos and trinities.
6 other permutations of the exact same world would indicate that the entire system, including the lives of those "Killed" are rebooted. Cloned, in effect. Neo and the others are clones.

How about I just say no and leave it at that?

Besides where do you get the idea there have been six other Neos and Trinities? Especially considering that the Architect specifically states Neo’s love for her is different from his predecessors, and don’t just tell me he was lying.

O.k., so maybe I couldn’t just leave it at that.

 

[RolandOfGilead]

ok thats a strange response, welverin! There have been 6 previous incarnations of the one, as told by the merovingian and the architect. The architect presents neo with video footage of the others as evidence you could say.

 

[Macbeth]

ok thats a strange response, welverin! There have been 6 previous incarnations of the one, as told by the merovingian and the architect. The architect presents neo with video footage of the others as evidence you could say.

Was that footage of other versions of the Matrix? I thought those were possible reactions, things that could have happened.

 

[RolandOfGilead]

If you listen in the background when he says there have been 5 previous emergences of the anomaly, the other neo's are heard to be saying "4 others?" "3 others?" "2 others?"

 

[Macbeth]

If you listen in the background when he says there have been 5 previous emergences of the anomaly, the other neo's are heard to be saying "4 others?" "3 others?" "2 others?"

Really? Cool! I hope there will be some "official" answers to these questions in the next movie.

 

[Mercule]

If you listen in the background when he says there have been 5 previous emergences of the anomaly, the other neo's are heard to be saying "4 others?" "3 others?" "2 others?"

Hadn't thought about that. Pretty cool notion. They were too many screens, though. Not saying you're wrong, just that I'm confused.

Still, it seems odd that the Archetect practically goaded Neo into choosing Trinity. Also, Neo's dreams either mean 1) He's a precog, 2) The exact same thing has happened before, or 3) The machines predicted Trinity's fate and are pulling a lot more strings than we are otherwise given to believe.

Why do I say 3? Because the only reason Trinity was in the Matrix, especially in it alone, was because the one ship (don't remember the name) was found and destroyed in the "real world" by the sentinels. For Trinity's death to have been predicted by the machines, they had to have been able to predict the destruction of the afore mentioned ship. If they could do that, then there is definitely something going on in the outside world.

I don't think that it's a second Matrix, but it could be that the humans of Zion aren't quite as free or hidden as they believe. The simplest solution is that the Archetect was telling the truth and the machines have known where Zion and all the ships are the entire time they've existed and could have destroyed them at any minute. They were just waiting for the One.

 

[Welverin]

If you listen in the background when he says there have been 5 previous emergences of the anomaly, the other neo's are heard to be saying "4 others?" "3 others?" "2 others?"

Well my last response isn't so odd when you consider I had never noticed that before. I always took the other screens as being representations of other possiblities.

Still, it seems odd that the Archetect practically goaded Neo into choosing Trinity. Also, Neo's dreams either mean 1) He's a precog

Which is just what the Oracle told him when they met in the park. Additionally I think what the Oracle tells Neo can help with understanding this.

There seems to be an implication these movies that people have no choice, only the illusion of choice.

I don't think that it's a second Matrix, but it could be that the humans of Zion aren't quite as free or hidden as they believe. The simplest solution is that the Archetect was telling the truth and the machines have known where Zion and all the ships are the entire time they've existed and could have destroyed them at any minute. They were just waiting for the One.

This is the one i'm buying into, from what we've seen so far I figure the whole prophecy of the One is nothing but scheme perpetuated by the machines to maintain the status quo, but Neo is their false prophecy come true.

 

[RolandOfGilead]

Another thing to think about: Perhaps the oracle had the path of the one "Default" to "reboot" until she could perfect the process of making neo
what she wanted. The first five had some fundamental flaw, but each was
closer than the last. Finally, in v6.0 she introduced a love interest. Perhaps even Neo isnt the final version, but the oracle forced the play by influencing Neo to "choose" trinity over the source. Maybe he's getting tired of waiting for
the oracle to correct her errors and prove her theory right.

Perhaps its a race.. "who can solve the problem of the human population first:"
The oracle chose to co-exist if humans could prove themselves "righteous" or "deserving"
The Architect pronounced men hopeless, and chose to destroy them all.
As co creators of the matrix, they decided to test their theories in a virtual world - the architect, being egotistical, agreed to let her try whatever she
wanted - because his theory was irrefutable. Once the endgame takes place however, the game is over, mankinds fate decided. So she keeps rebooting before she gets there so she can perfect neo.

 

[LightPhoenix]

not if there have been 6 other matrix versions, with 6 other neos and trinities.
6 other permutations of the exact same world would indicate that the entire system, including the lives of those "Killed" are rebooted. Cloned, in effect. Neo and the others are clones.

One point of contention - there's NO evidence there were six other trinities. In fact, it's strongly suggested that Trinity is the first Trinity - the Architect states that with Neo #6, they added a specific love interest instead of just a love of humanity.

 

[Mercule]

One point of contention - there's NO evidence there were six other trinities. In fact, it's strongly suggested that Trinity is the first Trinity - the Architect states that with Neo #6, they added a specific love interest instead of just a love of humanity.

Quite right, and I see no reason to doubt this claim. So far, it would appear that none of the machines have actually lied to Neo, only omitted facts. They may be incapable of lies (maybe they can't "imagine" a lie) or just have seen no point in it thus far. Regardless, I think we can assume that we've gotten no false data from the machines.

A question I have is: Was Smith foreseen? He should have been because it seems that Neo's death was foreseen. If they can predict the death of the strike team and Trinity sitting things out until then, Smith should have been small potatoes.

Maybe Smith is the reason the Matrix needs to be rebooted. It's "angel of death" as it were. Of course, there is a sort of apocalyptic "beast with seven heads" feel to Smith's replicating.