Matrix ****Spoiler****

[Aeris Winterood]

Ok, so.... how many of you believe that the Zion/"real world" is just another Matrix?

At the end Neo suddenly can sense the machines and stops them with some sort of power... plus... when he was talking to the 'administator' some of the pictures on the video screens shown were of Neo in the 'real world'... how could the Matrix/program pcik these out?

I think that when Neo slipped into a coma on the other ship... he is actually awakening from that Matrix.....

Any other theories?

 

[Cedric]

Now, the awakening from the second Matrix theory to explain the Coma is very interesting...you may be on to something.

But yes, obviously the "real world" is a second matrix.

Cedric

 

[Karanaj]

Well it seemed like he just passed out from the effort. Maybe he's just somehow connected to the machines... I really don't have much of a thought on this, but I'm just trying to offer different possibilities. The second "Matrix" idea is nice and all... but what's he really gonna do if he wakes up naked in a tube (again)... the machines would just kill him.

 

[Witch Doctor]

But what if there are no machines gaurding the second Matrix? If no one has ever eascape in how many humdreds of years, then there's no need for security.

 

[Gargoyle]

Ok, so.... how many of you believe that the Zion/"real world" is just another Matrix?

Not me, but I've only seen Reloaded once so far, so I haven't decided what I think. If what Smith said about humans defining their reality by suffering, then they got Zion's food right.

At the end Neo suddenly can sense the machines and stops them with some sort of power...

Well, we don't understand fully how the Matrix works, much less a second more mundane Matrix, but if the Real World is not a second Matrix, and is like our own reality, then we know the basics of how that works. He'd have to have some sort of transmitter to speak to the machines, and he'd have to know how to use it. My theory is that while he was a coppertop he was given extra hardware in the Matrix that interfaces with his brain (perhaps by the Architect or the Oracle) and some programming on how to use it. (Yes, I think he was programmed, perhaps by multiple AI's.)

plus... when he was talking to the 'administator' some of the pictures on the video screens shown were of Neo in the 'real world'... how could the Matrix/program pcik these out?

It seemed to me that these were Neo's memories and emotions being plucked out of his head by the Architect. It certainly seemed like he was reading Neo's mind, and that such an ability would be easy for a guy like him on his home turf.

I think that when Neo slipped into a coma on the other ship... he is actually awakening from that Matrix.....

Any other theories? [/B]

Not a bad theory actually. I hope the real world isn't just another Matrix though. It seems like a cheesy way to end it all, rather like the locker scene at the end of MIB II. And I think it makes a better story if we have the common ground of sharing the same reality, even if it's only part of the time, with the main characters.

I hope he just short-circuited something and will wake up early in Revolution. Or maybe he'll broadcast into the Matrix directly from that extra hardware in his brain and no longer need a hard-line.

My theory is incomplete, I need to see that film a couple more times, but I have a feeling that the Oracle is giving Neo programs to help him along. "Have a cookie" ... "Have some candy" Whether the programs are giving him abilities in the Matrix, or knowledge of how to use the hardware in his head in the real world, I'm not sure.

Guess we'll find out this winter.

 

[Kryndal Levik]

I think it has to do with his "special" programming, as opposed to a second Matrix, personally... BTW, I love the "cookie and candy" programming theory- that the Oracle is "slipping him some code" to awaken latent abilities... Cool theory!!!

 

[RolandOfGilead]

Regarding the coma, I believe the inverse is true. I think he has discovered how to enter the matrix without a hardwire.

My Reasoning? If he returns to Zion, which is too deep in the earth for the ships to broadcast a signal to the matrix mainframe, he wont be able to enter the matrix UNLESS he can do it at will, with or without the ship.

This also explains his power in the real world: Neo now exists in both worlds, at the same time. At least partly. Like agent smith, a small sliver of his persona is in the matrix.. while his conscious mind is in the real world.
Consciousness / Unconsciousness is something that we havent really explored yet, and I think its perfectly in the realm of the Wachowski's to explore just this sort of thing...
Unconscious choices, etc.

 

[Stone Angel]

I've only seen the movie once and I know that I missed some clues, but so far this is what I think.

There has to be some interface with the real world since Agent Smith possessed Bane and was able to control him, perhaps from the first when Neo destroyed Smith from the inside they were linked somehow allowing Smith some degree of Humanity and Neo "sensing" of the machines.

Another theory about Smith I had was that Neo had "corrupted" him and turned him into a virus, but Smith has always been more than the other agents in the first he could "smell" and he felt emotions(hate), or perhaps he had always been "freed" by The One.

I am hoping that there is not "a multi layered Matrix" though that would be clever, on the AI side. And what of a third choice in the room of white light, could Neo not Destroy the Maker? I will have to wait for the third one, at least it comes out this year.Once again during the conversation with the maker I know I missed somethings.

On a sillier note the first thing that came to my mind when the maker told Neo that the Oracle programmed the Matrix was "The Matrix was made by Kentucky Fried Chicken Guy and the Pancake syrup lady.

 

[Welverin]

And what of a third choice in the room of white light, could Neo not Destroy the Maker?

I was actually expecting Neo to pull an Agent Smith on the Architect.

Try here for a transcript of the conversation between those two.

 

[Gargoyle]

And what of a third choice in the room of white light, could Neo not Destroy the Maker?

I have a feeling that he either sensed that he couldn't, or that it would not help anything.

My theory is that the Architect does not seem to control the Matrix, beyond its initial parameters that he programmed into it. Killing him wouldn't change the Matrix or give Neo any special advantage, and might only serve to terminate a program that is giving him useful information. I don't see the Architect as the Wizard of Oz, pulling levers behind a curtain. It seems like he's just an AI programmer who set it all up.

It occurs to me that if that is true, that the Architect needs the anomaly known as the One to reboot the Matrix so he can rebuild it. As much as he prides himself on his perfect creation, he knows that if he makes a completely perfect Matrix with no anomaly, or an anomaly that won't reboot the Matrix, that he no longer has a purpose, and may be deleted by the Source. It also occurs to me that the Source doesn't want to be rebooted, and may think of that like an AI thinks of deletion.