Mature content

would you buy a new Mature Content D&D book?

  • No, are you a freak?

    Votes: 15 7.9%
  • No, I am not comfortable with these things in my games

    Votes: 33 17.3%
  • No, think of the children

    Votes: 12 6.3%
  • Maybe, if it was well written

    Votes: 115 60.2%
  • Yes, I really want to add these things to my game.

    Votes: 27 14.1%
  • Yes, I like to be a perv.

    Votes: 20 10.5%
  • Can I subscribe to playtroll?

    Votes: 12 6.3%

  • Poll closed .
I prefer my games to be more or less PG-rated...so I tend to purchase material that would suit that particular style. So that's a big fat "NO" for me.

I'm not hating or judging, by all means you should be able to buy all the books you need to play the kind of game you want. I just don't want it at my table.
 

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I can think of a dozen jokes, none of which are Grandma-friendly. :devil:

On a more serious note, I want D&D books that are well written and, when appropriate to their content, cover mature material as needed. I don't mind if a book includes sex, heavy violence, gore, and other such topics. Incorporating such things, yes, please.

Do I want a book about such topics. No.
So instead I'll just agree with Shemeska.

BoVD was very useful back before the Fiendish Codices were published, IMC*





*[sblock]In My Campaign [/sblock]
 

I voted no.

I'm not against the material existing. But my game is a little more casual that some here; we really just kill things and take their stuff.

I GM for my little brothers and sister - she is 25 and my brothers are older, but they're little to me dammit - and I tend to gloss over stuff like that.

My game would be Cert'ed 15 (Some graphic violence and bad language).
 

Re: ultra-violence and ultra-evil - don't need it; I can come up with that on my own.

Re: sex, erotica, etc. - If it was well done and had the codified rules and tables* I want but am too lazy to make up myself, I'd be in.

* - such as:
- Charts of what races can breed with what, and at what odds of successful reproduction (can an orc breed with an elf? If not, why not, seeing as both can breed with humans?)
- Sexual orientation/preference charts, by race and-or culture (are elves generally bisexual?)
- Some idea of general attitude toward sex/sexuality, by race and-or culture (do dragonborn see sex only as a reproductive chore?)
- Pregnancy chances (and menstrual cycle lengths) for all races
- Birth control methods (and spells?) before, during, and after sex
- Tables for what a child will be (boy, girl, twins, how stats when grown will vary from parents, etc.) by race (what percentage of dwarven babies are male?)
- Genetics tables for all possible combinations based on what can breed with what, see above (if someone is born as a quarter-elf from a human parent and a half-elf parent, what are her stat modifiers?)

And so on.

Lanefan
 

The problem with labelling something as "mature" is that, often times, it's not mature. It's incredibly immature. Big head explosions and :):):):) popping out of everywhere isn't mature, it's something you talk about in junior high.
Absolutely. I like mature themes in games, but I'm not sure D&D's capable of it. I don't want to see a 4e version of The Book of :):):):):):):) and Gore (AKA the book of vile darkness).

Edit: Wow, the language censor is really sensitive here. It doesn't even like the cheezy word for breasts that rhymes with "ditties"

White Wolf in nWoD, I think, has mature down. Slasher is mature. Promethean is mature. Mature, in my terms, means the opposite of what mature seems to mean in ratings.
Yessir. Changeling, ironically, is really mature too.
 
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So instead I'll just agree with Shemeska.

BoVD was very useful back before the Fiendish Codices were published, IMC*
I agree with TC, who agrees with Shemeska (I can't agree directly with someone who likes the Great Wheel so much and has a fetish for furry fiends :D)

"Mature" isn't in itself a compelling theme for an rpg book. But I want mature content included when it makes sense. I don't mind ugly backstories. Hells shouldn't feel like disneyland. I want naked succubi/incubi pictures etc…

On a side note, what constitutes mature isn't the same for everyone. I find vanilla dnd violent and gory enough (not realistically gory though) but very prude in other regards. And how is being the product of a rape worse than having one's family slaughtered (a generally acceptable background)?

* - such as:
- Charts of what races can breed with what, and at what odds of successful reproduction (can an orc breed with an elf? If not, why not, seeing as both can breed with humans?)
- Sexual orientation/preference charts, by race and-or culture (are elves generally bisexual?)
- Some idea of general attitude toward sex/sexuality, by race and-or culture (do dragonborn see sex only as a reproductive chore?)
- Pregnancy chances (and menstrual cycle lengths) for all races
- Birth control methods (and spells?) before, during, and after sex
- Tables for what a child will be (boy, girl, twins, how stats when grown will vary from parents, etc.) by race (what percentage of dwarven babies are male?)
- Genetics tables for all possible combinations based on what can breed with what, see above (if someone is born as a quarter-elf from a human parent and a half-elf parent, what are her stat modifiers?)
I'm not sure I'm interested in rules that keep track of periods and pregnancy chances. Like the digestion cycle or minor diseases, these are things that I happily handwave away in a fantasy game.

I just assume adventurers have herbal/magical means of birth control or let the dm decide of pregnancies as he sees fit (or what the babies look like.) It could be an interesting hook, but I don't want an adventure derailed because of a random table.

I guess a table for disfiguring venereal diseases could be fun, especially if a pc has it coming for abusing his/her seduction skills to get too many advantages or otherwise trampy behaviour. It's ok for a sidebar, but I wouldn't buy a whole book of it.

The same goes for sexual orientation. The dm can decide on the fly what his npcs are into and should have a general idea of what the racial and cultural mores are in his campaign, but it might fit in a setting book.
 
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I'm always fascinated at the diversity of responses people give whenever this topic comes up. It really seems like people have wildly different expectations for a book of this nature, moreso than they would for a book on almost any other topic.

Several people expressed the opinion that "mature" was very different (and even removed from) focusing on sexual materials; presumably, this indicates a certain style of how a book like this would be written (e.g. World of Darkness) more than what it's actually about.

Others have mentioned that D&D is simply a bad medium in and of itself for sexual subject matter. I can't fully disagree with that, as D&D is at its heart a tactical combat game. Trying to wrench its focus outside of that does feel jarring, bringing the game's focus somewhat out of context.

A number of posters simply said they don't have any practical use or such material, though they have no problem with it. That's inevitable, as every book has a certain demographic of role-players that just won't care for that particular subject or genre - I'm just glad there aren't as many people saying that this particular area shouldn't be explored at all.

Specifically regarding the Book of Erotic Fantasy, my opinion is that it's "failure" (and I agree with Aus_Snow in that we can't be sure if it failed or succeeded from a sales standpoint) wasn't due to any particular flaws of game design (it needed errata, but so do a lot of books), nor due to the unconventional artwork (it was very different, but not terrible in and of itself), but rather because it presented the material overtly, without any particular way to tie things into an existing game.

Other than a handful of barely-developed new organizations, deities, and some monsters (and I found the monsters to be quite lackluster), the BoEF made itself too stark in what it offered. The new crunch had a consistent flavor (e.g. it was sexual) but there was no in-game mechanism for why that'd suddenly start appearing in your games. It'd be weird (to say the least) if PCs were told they could suddenly take feats like Tantric, or enemy spellcasters started using spells like orgasmic vibrations on your characters during a fight.

I think that if you're going to incorporate such material into your game, it shouldn't just suddenly be added with no in-game rationale - that's the gaming equivalent of being in, say, a classroom when somebody opens the door, realizes they have the wrong room, and leaves; it's awkward, embarrassing, and doesn't accomplish anything.

Contrast this with if the person entering the room has a reason for doing so (or was there in the first place); if there's an in-game reason for sexual materials suddenly becoming so prominent, then it makes more sense, especially if it's localized to a particular place/group/adventure. It's less "why did the necromancer use a spell that switched my character's gender? He's a freaking necromancer fer cryin' out loud!" and more "Remember when we assaulted the temple of the Goddess of Pain and Pleasure? Those priestesses fought seriously dirty, using sex-based spells like that." That's why I much prefer Sisters of Rapture to the BoEF, as it's lighter on the sexual crunch, and ties almost all of what it does present to the new cult introduced in the book.

...well, that and it has illustrations of naked women, rather than photoshopped pictures. ;)
 

One person's "mature" is another person's "ho-hum ordinary".

Some people object to mentioning alcohol and smoking in games; some games mention slavery and prostitution, but go no further, and this upsets people. And other people don't recognize "adult content" until it goes XXX.

Meh. Whatever. If the material, generally speaking, seemed of interest I might pick it up. I looked over the Book of Erotic Fantasy ... and it just seemed rather silly, a high school level attempt to shock, but without adding anything to the game in particular. Needless to say, I did not pick it up. Then again, I have some material for Tekumel/Empire of the Petal Throne that has some highly suggestive bits in it ... but I picked the books up for the material on the culture in general, rather than the lurid bits.

So all I can say, in the end, is that it is a case-by-case basis.
 


I use content that would be considered mature when appropriate on the table. I never felt I needed any special rules for it. I can appreciate a well written adventure that incorporates some mature themes, and a campaign setting that does not shy away from said themes when they crop up (and they inevitably will). I understand why WotC is less than willing to focus on such themes or have its brand name on products heavily invested in them; it never really stopped me from including them nor will it ever do so.
A book like BoEF would require an extraordinary writer to handle the subject well. And I cannot possibly understand why it would require rules for everything (but then again we had rules for Orgies in Dragon #2 I think . . .). BovD was also a failure for me; it failed to describe evil but mainly focused on disturbing; and it did a poor job describing the fiends and ignored two entire races and scores of other creatures of the lower planes which would all have made a better feature for it.
 

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