I mentioned that because earlier in the thread someone said Mearls is in a position to know based on survey data and such. It's a long thread so I don't expect you to have seen that part.
Thanks, appreciated.
I mentioned that because earlier in the thread someone said Mearls is in a position to know based on survey data and such. It's a long thread so I don't expect you to have seen that part.
One of the reason gaming stores frequenlty close/suck are they only cater to a small, insular crowd. You don't need a gatekeeper, you need a BOUNCER. Assume no one will be a problem until they are.
I don't disagree with you that there's been systemic issues. I don't disagree that gatekeeping CAN BE USED as a negative. Check back on my initial post. I took umbrage with an un-nuanced universal statement.It isn't gatekeeping to gatekeep the gatekeepers. The hobby doesnt need random people deciding they get to pick and choose who is ok and who is a secret agent of discord infiltrating the hallowed halls of D&D. Yes, we select who we invite into our own group/homes, but that's different than the systemic issues of women (and POC, and LGBTQ people) being subject to extra scrutiny gatekeeping. It's a hostile environment. Hell, check out the issues of harassment at cons. It's one of the reasons D&D has been a straight, white, boys club for so long. And it's time for a change. The mere fact that a woman can't be hired without a bunch of bitter men crawling out of the woodwork to gripe about "women, SJW, and diversity" should be proof of that.
Yes, you are correct. That was an assumption on my part from the earlier part of the discussion from another poster and I apologize if it was incorrect to apply the same thought to your reasoning (as it seems it was, if I'm reading into your words correctly).Also I didn't bring up your post count.
Yes, I know. I am glad we're all on the same page now I am disagreeing with his claim that there is a correlation between the two. I don't think there is.
Yes, I know. I am glad we're all on the same page now I am disagreeing with his claim that there is a correlation between the two. I don't think there is.
Yes, I know. I am glad we're all on the same page now I am disagreeing with his claim that there is a correlation between the two. I don't think there is.
Would you say that in the past, the game had been played by predominately white males?
Wouldn't it stand to reason then that many people who want to keep the game for some exclusive club would likely fit that category? And that the targets of their attempts would likely be members of other demographic groups?
The fact that they can also try to keep the game from people similar to them (ie other white males) doesn't change that. Just because they're jerks across the board doesn't mean they aren't jerks to women.
Yes, I know. I am glad we're all on the same page now I am disagreeing with his claim that there is a correlation between the two. I don't think there is.
I am sure it means exactly what I think it means. If you want a clarification you have but to ask. Gatekeeping rightfuly has a negative connotation when it comes to discriminatory issues towards women and minorities, but as a general word it doesn't necessarily have a negative connotation at all. For example, to become a university professor one often must overcome a series of intentional barriers erected by the senior people of that profession, some of which are communication barriers, some of them political (as in social politics) barriers, as a means of gatekeeping the position of faculty member.
It's not though - rules gatekeeping is not defined as having anything to do with discriminatory behavior towards women and minorities. That's my point and I have given several examples of rules gatekeeping I've personally seen which had nothing to do with those issues. He's properly using the word gatekeeping, the very same one I am using and in the same context. He's just claiming one type of gatekeeping is practiced by those who do the other type as well. And I am saying I think he's wrong - they're not related. People who do that to women are just as prone to be heavy role players or just plain sexists, unrelated to rules gatekeeping. Have you seriously never seen someone try and gatekeep the game by behaving poorly in role playing towards someone else? I really don't think this is related to people who like rules gatekeeping.