Medium PC Two-Weapon Fighting with Medium Two-Handed Weapons

[kenobi65]

Oh and the large greatsword is 3d8 damage and could be used by a large creature in 1 hand with the monkey grip feat.

Actually, no, it can't be. Monkey Grip would allow a Large creature to use a Huge longsword in one hand. As noted above, in 3.5, a Huge longsword is not the same as a Large greatsword, in the same way that a Large longsword is not the same as a Medium greatsword.

Monkey Grip in 3.5 specifically lets you use a weapon sized for a creature one size category larger than you, as if you were that size. It does not let you use a two-handed weapon, sized for you, in one hand.

 

[TracerBullet42]

**not to derail too much, I hope**

Why is Monkey Grip so misunderstood? It doesn't change the weapon category...it just changes the weapon size that you can use. It's that simple. I just don't understand why that's so hard to grasp...

/rant

 

[kenobi65]

Why is Monkey Grip so misunderstood? It doesn't change the weapon category...it just changes the weapon size that you can use. It's that simple. I just don't understand why that's so hard to grasp...

Nice pun.

I have two suspicions:
1) Monkey Grip did indeed work differently in 3E, because the size classifications of weapons worked differently. I suspect some folks got used to how it used to work, and haven't internalized the idea that it's changed.
2) I think some folks read what they want to read in it.

 

[TracerBullet42]

Nice pun.

I have two suspicions:
1) Monkey Grip did indeed work differently in 3E, because the size classifications of weapons worked differently. I suspect some folks got used to how it used to work, and haven't internalized the idea that it's changed.
2) I think some folks read what they want to read in it.

Yeah, I suppose there could be some 3.0/3.5 confusion...

It could also be that I'm just feeling extra cranky today and needed to complain about something, and Monkey Grip became my target.

 

[Barendd Nobeard]

Because it's illogical. So I can wield a sword built for a Large creature in one hand, but not a two-handed weapon built for a creature my size in one hand? Why not, especially if it weighs less than the Large-sized weapon?

Like a lot of rules, it just doesn't make sense. But, that's the price of trying to apply logic to this game.

 

[TracerBullet42]

Because it's illogical. So I can wield a sword built for a Large creature in one hand, but not a two-handed weapon built for a creature my size in one hand? Why not, especially if it weighs less than the Large-sized weapon?

Like a lot of rules, it just doesn't make sense. But, that's the price of trying to apply logic to this game.

C'mon, Kent, you know better than to try to apply logic to this game...

Now I'm off to go grab an infinite number of slings...

 

[Barendd Nobeard]

C'mon, Kent, you know better than to try to apply logic to this game...

Now I'm off to go grab an infinite number of slings...

I know, I know. I'll never do that again!

 

[Hypersmurf]

The simple true answer:

You could wield 2 handed weapons in both hands but you could only make attacks from one side of each of the weapons

read about two-bladed sword for example... "a creature wielding a 2-bladed sword in 1 hand can't us it as a double weapon- only 1 end of the weapon can be used in any given round."

it is the same for all 2 handed weapon descriptiosn in the PH.

Firstly, you're confusing double weapons with two-handed weapons. A greataxe, a halberd, and a spear are all two-handed weapons. A double sword, an urgrosh, and a quarterstaff are all double weapons (that happen to be two-handed weapons as well).

Secondly, you're misreading the rules for double weapons. It doesn't say "A Medium creature can wield a Medium two-bladed sword in one hand, but he can't use it as a double weapon". In fact, a Medium creature can't wield a Medium two-bladed sword in one hand; it's a two-handed weapon, and needs two hands to wield effecttively. However, a Large creature can wield a Medium two-bladed sword in one hand, since he treats all Medium weapons as one-handed weapons. But if he does so, the rule comes into effect: "A creature wielding a two-bladed sword in one hand can't use it as a double weapon". That rule never applies to the Medium creature, because he's prohibited from wielding it that way in the first place.

-Hyp.