Melee, Ranged, Projectile and Thrown weapons...

[Rel]

I still say that throwing a melee weapon would NOT change the weapon into a ranged weapon, althought it would be a ranged attack. So therefore, the Assassin's Death Attack would work if you threw a Dagger (a melee weapon used as a ranged attack).

You wouldn't happen to be biased based on your other thread:

"Scratch the Archer idea, I think I'll go Assassin instead..."

Would ya?

With all due respect, that ideas just seems absurd to me.

And Antikinesis, the rhyme was a work of art. Nice job.

 

[kreynolds]

if you're left with something in your hands afterwards, it's projectile.

What if you go to throw a wagon, but the wagon breaks off from the wheel. Is the wagon now a thrown weapon or a projectile? If the wagon's a projectile, what kind of weapon do you now have in your hand? Is it a melee weapon? Thrown weapon? Ranged weapon?

You people are seriously underestimating the deadly power and pin-point accuracy of wagons.

 

[Mistwell]

But inertia's the thing when you're spinning a sling.
If you just fling out the bullet on the first go-round,
It doesn't go very far before hitting the ground.
A sling's not a lever... it lacks fulcrum; it's limp.
It multiplies not movement, nor force for a wimp.
It increases the radius for your angular speed,
'cause the velocity at tangent is what you need.
The faster you twirl, the more the improvement.
Inertia's the energy stored from your movement.
One-half the mass times the velocity squared
is what's going to leave your opponent impaired.
Bows and slings store energy for missiles,
but one's in the launcher, the other, the projectiles.

-AK

Except that you DO FLING THE BULLET ON THE FIRST GO-ROUND usually.

Are you guys all imagining that you spin a sling around 10 times or something before a release? That is NOT how it generally works. You do a single wind-up, or a whip-up with no wind-up at all, most of the time. The most number of wind-ups would be about three, and the utility of wind-up two and three is pretty marginal.

Your forward thrust for the release plays much more of a role in how hard and far the bullet will fly than your spinning it around. In addition, the stronger you are, the more effective any wind-ups you use will be. The bullet's speed is dependant on the slingers strength.

 

[FlimFlam]

You wouldn't happen to be biased based on your other thread:

"Scratch the Archer idea, I think I'll go Assassin instead..."

Would ya?

With all due respect, that ideas just seems absurd to me.

And Antikinesis, the rhyme was a work of art. Nice job.

No, but that would make it all that much better...

I originally was thinking of making an assassin type akin to “The Scorpion King”. Yeah, I know, not the best movie, but the idea of that type of assassin sparked my interest. So originally I wanted an archer that could do lots of damage (sneak attack) with a single hit. But like I said, none of the Archer ideas people were coming up with sparked my interest.

Then I read the assassin, and although it is clear that you can’t make a Death Attack with a bow, it seems to me that you can use it with a dagger. Ok, if this is indeed possible, then I’ll just change the device I was going to attack with. Regardless of what you use, you need to be within 30 feet for a Sneak Attack (and thus a Death Attack). A Dagger isn’t that far off. With Far Shot, you will only lose 1 range increment so your attack would be at –2 (easy to negate with feats or by choosing the Halfling race (+1 to hit from size, +1 to hit from thrown weapons)).

Anyway, like I said, none of the Arhcer ideas appealed to me. Not as far as Rogues or Assassins go. So now I’m back to making a straight up Assassin. If it turns out that I can make a DA with a thrown dagger, all the better. If not, oh well, I’ll just wait for 4th level assassin spells that will let me do it.

 

[kreynolds]

I’ll just wait for 4th level assassin spells that will let me do it.

And which spells do that?

 

[Stalker0]

Does this mean I can cleave with a Shuriken if I attack with it as a melee weapon? Talk about looking silly...

Any guy would could actually do this would definately not look silly

 

[Mistwell]

Any guy would could actually do this would definately not look silly

Seriously, if you drop someone with a single shuriken held in your hand, you go right ahead and dink the guy next to him with it. I'm sure that single point of damage you might do will be the decisive damage in your game...

 

[Magus Gar Kan]

I'm not exactly sure where this topic is going, but here's my 2cp:
Any weapon that can be thrown or fired from another weapon(sling, crossbow, bow, gun, etc) qualifies as a ranged weapon when thrown or shot. The reverse is also true, an arrow for example can be used to make a melee attack(albiet at a -4 penalty). In the case of the assasin's death ability, it doesn't matter what kind of weapon is used, so long as the attack is a MELEE attack. Note a weapon falls into two categories: Ranged and melee, the only thing this indicates is wether a weapon can be used at a distance without penalty. Ranged(point blank shot, etc) feats apply to ALL weapons used at range. If you want to throw a cart, then by all means do it.

 

[FlimFlam]

I'm not exactly sure where this topic is going, but here's my 2cp:
Any weapon that can be thrown or fired from another weapon(sling, crossbow, bow, gun, etc) qualifies as a ranged weapon when thrown or shot. The reverse is also true, an arrow for example can be used to make a melee attack(albiet at a -4 penalty). In the case of the assasin's death ability, it doesn't matter what kind of weapon is used, so long as the attack is a MELEE attack. Note a weapon falls into two categories: Ranged and melee, the only thing this indicates is wether a weapon can be used at a distance without penalty. Ranged(point blank shot, etc) feats apply to ALL weapons used at range. If you want to throw a cart, then by all means do it.

Not according to the rules in the PHB. Some feats specify that they only work with “melee attacks” and some specify they only work with “melee weapons”. Same holds true with “ranged attacks” and “ranged weapons”. Does this mean I can take “Point-Blank Shot” on a Great Axe? If I could then it would only work if I threw it. That would make an interesting concept. You could probably tack on Weapon Focus, Weapon Specialization, etc.

 

[dcollins]

PH p. 118, under "Range Penalty":

All ranged weapons have a range increment, such as 10 feet for a thrown dagger or 120 feet for a heavy crossbow.