D&D General Melissa shows how badly LTH misses the mark on wind protection

[tetrasodium]

So, with all respect, this isn't an issue of reason, or numbers - it is about how individual GMs want games to play out.

If they want a fast way to ignore environmental effects and allow payers to have their rests work out when they want them, they include the spell. If not, they exclude it. That's all there is to it.

The 5e Tiny hut goes light years beyond protesting from "environmental effects", that's the problem

 

[TiQuinn]

The 5e Tiny hut goes light years beyond protesting from "environmental effects", that's the problem

I don’t understand. Every problem that I’ve seen written about the spell as written for 5e has had little to do with the environmental effects; it’s been about the defense against magic and attacks. This argument is one of the first I can recall that points out that there should be a limit to its ability to defend against weather, regardless of severity.

 

[tetrasodium]

I don’t understand. Every problem that I’ve seen written about the spell as written for 5e has had little to do with the environmental effects; it’s been about the defense against magic and attacks. This argument is one of the first I can recall that points out that there should be a limit to its ability to defend against weather, regardless of severity.

It is about the way it protects from almost everything beyond magical effects and attacks including granting the ability to see out and react to a potential ambush that can't see in. The fact that it used to specify the lowest of the low end cat1 nuisance storm sustained wind speeds and now protects even from a storm where the eyewall alone had recorded wind speeds well into EF-5 tornado territory shows that no mere tuckers kobold style ambush by a mobilized dungeon can even make players in a discovered tiny hut think twice about finishing. Having scrolls and trinkets of dospel magic common enough to change that has significant impact on the game

 

[TiQuinn]

It is about the way it protects from almost everything beyond magical effects and attacks including granting the ability to see out and react to a potential ambush that can't see in. The fact that it used to specify the lowest of the low end cat1 nuisance storm sustained wind speeds and now protects even from a storm where the eyewall alone had recorded wind speeds well into EF-5 tornado territory shows that no mere tuckers kobold style ambush by a mobilized dungeon can even make players in a discovered tiny hut think twice about finishing. Having scrolls and trinkets of dospel magic common enough to change that has significant impact on the game

And as the other thread currently on the topic shows, not everyone experiences this problem. It’s perfect fodder for house rules at tables that do have an issue with it.

 

[tetrasodium]

And as the other thread currently on the topic shows, not everyone experiences this problem. It’s perfect fodder for house rules at tables that do have an issue with it.

Look more closely at the other thread that was started after this one. A not insignificant number of the posts where someone proudly proclaims having no issues with it also include details about how they changed or removed the spell as if the result that stems from doing so has no correlation. Maybe elaborate on your point a bit to factor that in?

 

[AlViking]

Look more closely at the other thread that was started after this one. A not insignificant number of the posts where someone proudly proclaims having no issues with it also include details about how they changed or removed the spell as if the result that stems from doing so has no correlation. Maybe elaborate on your point a bit to factor that in?

As one of those people who have no issue with it, I don't change the spell. I just have the antagonists take an intelligent approach in response to it. Unless it's a zombie horde of course, in which case be prepared to be buried in rotting corpses.

 

[tetrasodium]

As one of those people who have no issue with it, I don't change the spell. I just have the antagonists take an intelligent approach in response to it. Unless it's a zombie horde of course, in which case be prepared to be buried in rotting corpses.

I'd hate to put words in your mouth or make assumptions on your gm style but if you elaborate on they bold bit and we can discuss how it can generate negative follow on effectsin the table dynamic

 

[TiQuinn]

Look more closely at the other thread that was started after this one. A not insignificant number of the posts where someone proudly proclaims having no issues with it also include details about how they changed or removed the spell as if the result that stems from doing so has no correlation. Maybe elaborate on your point a bit to factor that in?

I did. There are plenty of people who leave the spell unchanged, and do not have the problems you’re describing. There’s nothing further to elaborate from my POV.

 

[AlViking]

I'd hate to put words in your mouth or make assumptions on your gm style but if you elaborate on they bold bit and we can discuss how it can generate negative follow on effectsin the table dynamic

Following the chain back the only thing I see is your response to Umbran where you highlight environmental effects. Which, to a certain degree is true but even with a hurricane it's not that simple. Hurricanes cause all sorts of destruction, depending on where they put the hut you could have erosion washing away the ground around the hut, trees or buildings falling on the hut or flooding that lasts more than 8 hours. If you're talking a cold climate and using LTH to get out of a blizzard being buried in snow is a significant hazard.

I agree it takes away some threats, if it didn't there wouldn't be a point. It's just never caused a problem.

 

[tetrasodium]

Following the chain back the only thing I see is your response to Umbran where you highlight environmental effects. Which, to a certain degree is true but even with a hurricane it's not that simple. Hurricanes cause all sorts of destruction, depending on where they put the hut you could have erosion washing away the ground around the hut, trees or buildings falling on the hut or flooding that lasts more than 8 hours. If you're talking a cold climate and using LTH to get out of a blizzard being buried in snow is a significant hazard.

I agree it takes away some threats, if it didn't there wouldn't be a point. It's just never caused a problem.

I mentioned & linked to the old Tucker's kobolds dragon mag bit. It seems like they very much would absolutely fall under "just have the antagonists take an intelligent approach" even if posting from my phone ate the attempted (and now fixed) bolding. Should I take the lack of elaboration over an intelligent approach as evidence of the problem or take guesses on your intent?